Landrover wheels on your camper

[Redback]

I have found a place that has SII Discovery hubs to fit to your camper trailer so as to have the same wheels as the tow vehicle, finding hubs for the SII Disco was very difficult unless you had the maker of the camper put them on when you bought it and the fact that the SII Disco has a differant stud pattern to the SERIES I :evil: . I rang about 10 or so trailer manufacturers and had no luck until these guys, so all you Disco SII owners this is for you.

www.allstatestrailerspares.com.au

All States Trailer Spares on the central coast, contact is (02)4353 2224.

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Baz.

[dickyjoe]

Gday

Isnt the S2 disco hubs the same as RR, Flander, BMW and ford???

Rich

[Redback]

No the RR P38A yes centre to centre is 120mm, ford is 114mm don't know about BMW.

[incisor]

hard enough to find someone that will supply series 1 disco hubs....

[Redback]

Well you will be glad to know he does all landrover style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Bytemrk]

Great find Redback


My camper still has Tojo rims :oops:


Now I have the source of the parts I need....... all I have to do is to wait for that bloody money tree to fruit :?

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Originally posted by Bytemrk
Great find Redback


My camper still has Tojo rims :oops:


Now I have the source of the parts I need....... all I have to do is to wait for that bloody money tree to fruit :?


your still doing better than me.....you got a camper. :wink:

[Tyrepower]

I just picked up my camper in Melbourne over Xmas. Told the builder I wanted L/R stud pattern. Picked up some rims off 200tdi in the for sale thread on my way through SA and drove back to WA in comfort and luxury.

[p38arover]

Originally posted by Redback
No the RR P38A yes centre to centre is 120mm, ford is 114mm don't know about BMW.

P38A and Disco II have the same PCD (pitch circle diameter) so wheels from either will bolt onto the other. BMW rims also fit.

Ron

[p38arover]

Originally posted by incisor
hard enough to find someone that will supply series 1 disco hubs....

AL-KO make them - check their website http://www.al-ko.com.au/ and search for Land Rover.

Hubs:

443060 1450 kg Slimline 215mm 105mm Range Rover / LandRover Defender 6.5" PCD (5/8"
443050 1450 kg Slimline 215mm 105mm Undrilled
443055 1450 kg Slimline 215mm 105mm Land Rover 5 x 6.5" PCD
443100 1500 kg 1.5 tonne 205mm 105.5mm Undrilled
443230 1500 kg 1.5 tonne 205mm 105.5mm Land Rover/Defender 5 x 6.5" PCD
443220 1500 kg 1.5 tonne 205mm 105.5mm Land Rover 5 x 6.5" PCD
444100 2000 kg 2 tonne 205mm 105.5mm Undrilled
444230 2000 kg 2 tonne 205mm 105.5mm Land Rover/Defender 5 x 6.5" PCD
444220 2000 kg 2 tonne 205mm 105.5mm Land Rover 5 x 6.5" PCD
445210 3000 kg 3 tonne 205mm 105.5mm 5 stud Land 5 x 150mm PCD
445100 3000 kg 3 tonne 205mm 105.5mm Undrilled
445230 3000 kg 3 tonne 205mm 105.5mm Land Rover/Defender 5 x 6.5" PCD
445220 3000 kg 3 tonne 205mm 105.5mm Land Rover 5 x 6.5" PCD

One could use the undrilled units and have them drilled to fit. AL-KO also make wheel studs - even specials for Range Rover.

Ron

[Redback]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>AL-KO make them -[/b][/quote]

If you are going to ring AL-KO ring the Melbourne office cause the halfwit at the Sydney office was very helpfull, NOT :twisted: he told me to go to classic trailers, (guess what classic don't do Landrover) as it would be very hard to get the hubs didn't have them in stock, would have to ring Melbourne get them made, blah blah blah blah blah, i got the impression he was not interested in helping me "to hard basket" :twisted: The guy in Melbourne on the other hand was very helpfull style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Sydney AL-KO only stock hubs they don't make them, they are all made in Melbourne.

[DesertBug]

Originally posted by p38arover+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(p38arover)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Redback
No the RR P38A yes centre to centre is 120mm, ford is 114mm don't know about BMW.

P38A and Disco II have the same PCD (pitch circle diameter) so wheels from either will bolt onto the other. BMW rims also fit.

Ron[/b][/quote]

So all you guys with these vehicles have to do is ask for Commodore stud pattern (120pcd) hubs and as most trailer hubs use either Holden or Ford wheel bearings find out which ones are on your trailer and go to SuperCheap or any where else that sells trailer hubs and buy them off the shelf. Easy!!!

[Redback]

Only one problem with that is Disco SII studs are 14mm and won't fit in the commodore wheel stud hole as they are 12mm and the landy centre hole is how the wheel is centered on the hub not by the wheel nuts as with others, so not so easy eh.

The reason for trying to get Landy wheels on the camper is so you have an extra spare for the tow vehicle i could put commodore rims on but they won't fit the car so pointless really.

Anyway finally got my hubs made for the trailer after some major hassels now for the rims have settled for the Rangie alloys as they fit the Disco the cheapest i could find in steel made for the SII was Rockcrawler rims at $175 from a place in Melbourne called offroader.com.

Other than that have them made by a rim place at around the same price.

www.offroader.com.au

they import them from the US, look pretty good.

Baz.

[p38arover]

Baz, if you haven't got the RR alloy rims yet, I've still got a couple at $125 each and a couple with slight damage at $75 each.

Ron

[Redback]

I've sent you a pm Ron, thanks.

Baz.

[DesertBug]

QUOTE: (Posted by Redback) Only one problem with that is Disco SII studs are 14mm and won't fit in the commodore wheel stud hole as they are 12mm and the landy centre hole is how the wheel is centered on the hub not by the wheel nuts as with others, so not so easy eh.

G'day Redback,
Sorry I should've expanded my post a bit more, Commodore and BMW share the same stud pattern and as p38arover had said that "BMW rims also fit" My suggestion re hubs was aimed at the stud pattern and would assume that the appropriate studs would have to be fitted to match the requirement. To my knowledge no vehicle relies on the hole in the centre o the rim for supporting the vehicle and that the studs are the main wheigt bearing feature holding the rim to the hub otherwise the hole would be an neat fit onto to the hub.
As for 14 studs to suit the hubs (depending on length required) VW Kombis and late model 5 stud Landcruiser also use 14mm which should fit the Land Rover nuts.
Cheers, Ian.

[p38arover]

I meant BMW 4WD rims.

Also, I just checked - Series IIA-III/RR classic/Disco 1 wheel nuts won't fit my P38A. They are bigger than the P38A.

Ron

[incisor]

series II wheel nuts are smaller than series III wheels nuts so they will not fit.

IIa may fit but II definetly dont style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Redback]

Originally posted by DesertBug
QUOTE: (Posted by Redback) Only one problem with that is Disco SII studs are 14mm and won't fit in the commodore wheel stud hole as they are 12mm and the landy centre hole is how the wheel is centered on the hub not by the wheel nuts as with others, so not so easy eh.

G'day Redback,
Sorry I should've expanded my post a bit more, Commodore and BMW share the same stud pattern and as p38arover had said that "BMW rims also fit" My suggestion re hubs was aimed at the stud pattern and would assume that the appropriate studs would have to be fitted to match the requirement. To my knowledge no vehicle relies on the hole in the centre o the rim for supporting the vehicle and that the studs are the main wheigt bearing feature holding the rim to the hub otherwise the hole would be an neat fit onto to the hub.
As for 14 studs to suit the hubs (depending on length required) VW Kombis and late model 5 stud Landcruiser also use 14mm which should fit the Land Rover nuts.
Cheers, Ian.

Thanks Ian, looked at the Cruiser nuts differant thread pattern (mate has a 5 stud cruiser) but did not know about the Kombie nuts and studs might look at those, i thought that the centre hole thing was a bit strange i'd never heard of this either but not knowing much about the DII thought it could be true anyway got my rims, alloys, now just gotta get nuts and tyres.

Thanks all for your help

Baz.

[ARISTOS]

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hi guys i have just gone through the Defender axle and wheel problem with the new All terain camper trailer it cost a $600.00 above the 6 STUD Land Cruser to have a compatable wheel to axle combo for a Defender axle to have a second spare wheel for the Defender to suit the trailer

[CraigE]

Martins trailer parts in Perth will drill them for any vehicle if they have a template or if they dont if you can supply a wheel will mark them and drill. It is pretty basic to get a blank hub and have it drilled. While they do supply stubs they are generally for steel wheel nut not both steel and alloy. I would supply them with the stubs and get them to drill and press them in. Most decent trailer part suppliers should be able to do this.

[Redback]

Originally posted by CraigE
Martins trailer parts in Perth will drill them for any vehicle if they have a template or if they dont if you can supply a wheel will mark them and drill. It is pretty basic to get a blank hub and have it drilled. While they do supply stubs they are generally for steel wheel nut not both steel and alloy. I would supply them with the stubs and get them to drill and press them in. Most decent trailer part suppliers should be able to do this.

This is true you would think but i had a bugger of a time getting it done and at a fair price, the first place i tried would do it but would not put the DII studs in would only put what they normally put in all the other hubs, which is fine if you have a Land cruiser or Patrol or any other jap 4WD.

I finally found a place in Melbourne to do the hubs for $360.

The wheels were another story, i finally settled for alloys because all the places that make rims for you wanted $250 a rim, what really pi$$ed me off was if i took a blank rim in and i wanted it drilled to suit a Cruiser it was $70 a rim, how do i know, some may know that i go driving with a mate that has a cruiser (treebruiser) Mick and he was doing the same as me getting rims made for his camper and thats what he was quoted, so Mick said go and see him he's cheap, yeah if you own a jap 4WD, MY FIRST QUOTE WAS $75 until i told him what they were for, oh he said hang on this might be differant, next quote was $220 :twisted: :twisted:

Even Landy places want $200 to $270 for steel rims :twisted:

I think it's easier if you have a Defender or series 1 Disco, but for the DII it's a nightmare unless it's done while the camper is being manufactured.

Baz.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">there is a trailer place in or around nowra that has hubs for landies....

this was posted here some time ago.....

they are on the main road (princes highway) think....</span>

[CraigE]

Thats pretty ordinary. I think I paid about $120 for two new hubs drilled to LR parttern with studs and bearings. I am going to change them to LR studs to take alloy and steel nut (I rethreaded some alloy nuts for the time being) which is not hard I will get the stud base size and take it to the workshop and get one of the fitter to drill them to the larger size, 10 minutes work. You do need an industrial drill press to do this however. Most machine shops should have one. As for the blanks it should not be that hard to get and existing one and use that as a template for marking or get and old one and use as adrilling template. I know that the price would not have changed if I supplied my own studs as the studs are supplied as a kit. It is just people being uninformed or to lazy to do it for you. I would be questioning their trade qualifications if they can not drill 5 holes for you. Best bet is try a fitting and maching shop.

[Redback]

[quote=DEFENDERZOOK]<span style="color:blue">there is a trailer place in or around nowra that has hubs for landies....

this was posted here some time ago.....

they are on the main road (princes highway) think....</span>

I bet they don't do the DII, getting hubs for a Disco 1 or Defender is easy, but the DII is a whole lot harder.

Every time i rang a place that stocked hubs for Landies i got,

"yeah got heaps of Landy hubs in stock just come down",

i have a series 2 Disco,

"yeah got them too",

and every time i went down they were series 1 hubs or Defender,

"oh but aren't they the same"

ahhhhhhhhhhh NO :twisted:

Series 2 Disco stud pattern is the same as P38A Rangie, BMW X5 with 14mm stud

Series 1 Disco is the older stud pattern, with a 16mm stud, i think the same as the Defenders.

You can't buy hubs for a DII or P38A rangie off the shelf.

[CraigE]

I believe that we are talking trailer hubs and as such the hub is not hugely important. A standard blank hub will suffice with bearings to suit the axle. Generally I have used the standard blanks with holden or ford bearings. This enables easy and quick replacement of bearings anywhere in Australia. Obviously these hubs can only be used for trailers only and not for vehicles. The standard trailer blank hub is available from any trailer parts place. Just do not get them pre drilled. All you need then is a template to get the holes drilled. I think most people are missing the point that you do not need LR hubs for a trailer at all. As i said the stud are the downfall and you are better off using LR studs off a vehicle (not expensive). The same applies for braked trailers just get the brake assembly with a blank hub and have them drill. It seems to be getting overcomplicated just to dril 10 holes. I have spoken to a couple of machine shops that said it would be an easy task if a template (hub or wheel could be supplied).

[Redback]

Originally posted by CraigE
I believe that we are talking trailer hubs and as such the hub is not hugely important. A standard blank hub will suffice with bearings to suit the axle. Generally I have used the standard blanks with holden or ford bearings. This enables easy and quick replacement of bearings anywhere in Australia. Obviously these hubs can only be used for trailers only and not for vehicles. The standard trailer blank hub is available from any trailer parts place. Just do not get them pre drilled. All you need then is a template to get the holes drilled. I think most people are missing the point that you do not need LR hubs for a trailer at all. As i said the stud are the downfall and you are better off using LR studs off a vehicle (not expensive). The same applies for braked trailers just get the brake assembly with a blank hub and have them drill. It seems to be getting overcomplicated just to dril 10 holes. I have spoken to a couple of machine shops that said it would be an easy task if a template (hub or wheel could be supplied).

CraigE this is what i did the hubs i got made were a standard drum brake trailer hub with Ford bearings, that was drilled with the DII stud pattern and DII studs put in.

They are not LR hubs.

Also the rims, my quote was for blank after market 4wd rims drilled to a DII stud pattern, nothing differant to any other after market 4wd rim except the stud pattern.

Even Graeme Cooper has rims made for the DII and his price is the dearest at $270.

I could not understand it myself that drilling a rim or brake hub with the DII stud pattern would be so hard, and i can tell you i rang alot of trailer places, as i said Disco 1 and Defender you can buy off the shelf but not the DII.

Baz.

[JDNSW]

Just to add a bit of info on Landrover wheel studs to this thread.
1. All Landrovers up to P38/D2 (Series 1,2,3, RRC) had the same stud pattern, but with a variety of wheel types, mostly interchangeable except that some RR wheels won't fit over the protruding Series or early 110 hubs and some alloys won't fit with drum brakes. (Also load carrying problems in some cases e.g. Disco1 wheels on a 110)
2. All Series Landrovers up to very late 2a used 7/16 BSF studs screwed into the hub. These changed to the same type pressed in then, still S2a, to 16mm pressed in, which continued to the current Defender, the same thread used in RR and D1.

[CraigE]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> could not understand it myself that drilling a rim or brake hub with the DII stud pattern would be so hard, and i can tell you i rang alot of trailer places, as i said Disco 1 and Defender you can buy off the shelf but not the DII.
[/b][/quote]
Redback, I do sympathise with you guys. As soon as you mention LR to some people they are lost or reluctant to even look at them. The blank trailer hubs are easy and cheap to get, drilling provided you can get access to an industrial drill press is easy, the studs themselves should also be fairly easy to get www.Landrovers.com.au have them I think and they are not that dear. Getting actual vehicle hubs may be harder and a lot more expensive.
Maybe we should get a group of people together and approach a major trailer company (Sydney, Melb or Perth) and ask them to make a template jig up for the D2 with 14mm drill holes to accept actual LR studs. Surely if we got a few D2 owners interested they would be keen.

[Redback]

Originally posted by CraigE
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> could not understand it myself that drilling a rim or brake hub with the DII stud pattern would be so hard, and i can tell you i rang alot of trailer places, as i said Disco 1 and Defender you can buy off the shelf but not the DII.

Redback, I do sympathise with you guys. As soon as you mention LR to some people they are lost or reluctant to even look at them. The blank trailer hubs are easy and cheap to get, drilling provided you can get access to an industrial drill press is easy, the studs themselves should also be fairly easy to get www.Landrovers.com.au have them I think and they are not that dear. Getting actual vehicle hubs may be harder and a lot more expensive.
Maybe we should get a group of people together and approach a major trailer company (Sydney, Melb or Perth) and ask them to make a template jig up for the D2 with 14mm drill holes to accept actual LR studs. Surely if we got a few D2 owners interested they would be keen.[/b][/quote]

That would be a good idea, AL-CO would be the place to ask, as they do all the other LR patterns and when i spoke to Melbourne head office they were pretty good, the guy i spoke to said that if place that was making my hubs didn't do the job, i was only to ring him back and he would try and help, RR P38A on are the same so maybe anyone with a RR may help too,

The thing that annoyed me was the attitude i got when i wasn't happy about not settling for just the standard stud they put on all hubs :twisted:

The other thing was that the DII stud pattern is the same as late Holden Commodore same PCD of 120mm, only differance the stud hole :twisted: and the strength of the rim of coarse.

Baz.

[harlie]

Hi

I don't know if there is 'off the shelf' units available now. Here's my experience

I fitted braked D11 hubs to my camper (approx 1100kg) about 4 years ago. At the time no one had D11 hubs and Al-CO (brisbane) told me it couldn't be done.

However - I used Late Commodore hubs (stud spacing is the same) and replaced the studs with 14mm (78 / 100 series Landcruiser because I couldn't get LR at the time).

If you use LR alloys, the centre cap will have to machined out by 1 or 2 mm to fit over the outer bearing housing and you will need the 14mm studs for the LR wheel nuts. Steel rims will fit straight on, and the standard 'trailer' studs (actually 9/16) and nuts to suit the 100 LCruiser can be used.

Have not had any problems since it was done.

BUT, the alloys on the Disco WON'T fit the trailer, but the trailer wheels do fit the car. I purchased a set of four alloys from the wreaker so when we do a long trip there is two spares on the trailer and the spare on the back of the car, that gives us three spares that can be used on the car, and two that can go on the trailer, heaps for what we do.

Hope this helps

[duff]

I dont know if it was cleared up in the first couple of pages. But if you go machining the centres out of the LR alloys you are running a risk.

You will get away with it,,,, but the wheels are designed to use the centre hole to locate and carry the bulk of the transitional loads applied to the wheels. this is why the rim is such a tight fit on the hub. This is not uncommon, the SD1 rover was the same,,, as are many european alloy wheel fits.

The steel wheels are differant story on the DII, on these you are using the wheel studs + nuts to locate and secure the rims.

[Disco300Tdi]

So how much in Melbourne are a set of D1 trailer hubs with bearings, D1 studs and nuts (steel rims) complete.??

And who has them ??

[rangieman]

So how much in Melbourne are a set of D1 trailer hubs with bearings, D1 studs and nuts (steel rims) complete.??

And who has them ??
I got a second hand set of hubs off ebay for $55.00 the pair :D

Try carac trailers in dandenong they have them , im sure the hubs are about $100.00 each new:eek:

[PhilipA]

So how much in Melbourne are a set of D1 trailer hubs with bearings, D1 studs and nuts (steel rims) complete.??


AFAIK ther eis no such thing in Australia.

ALKO will supply hubs or drums with the Rover PCD but the studs are not D1 or RRC, they are AF and the nuts are AF. If you do not plan to fit mags at any stage this is OK functionally.

They will not supply metric and be careful not to buy the hubs drilled planning to fit LR studs because the holes/splines in their studs are bigger than LR ones.
Regards Philip A

[rangieman]

AFAIK ther eis no such thing in Australia.

ALKO will supply hubs or drums with the Rover PCD but the studs are not D1 or RRC, they are AF and the nuts are AF. If you do not plan to fit mags at any stage this is OK functionally.

They will not supply metric and be careful not to buy the hubs drilled planning to fit LR studs because the holes/splines in their studs are bigger than LR ones.
Regards Philip A

Yes dead right but it is no concern if fitting steel wheels;)

[loanrangie]

Ford transit trailer hubs have the same pcd as D1/RRC/DEF etc but the studs are smaller so if you can get these just fit larger studs. My hubs were made by Wesco.

[dmdigital]

If I understand everything on this thread:

1. I will have great difficulty or it is impossible to fit D2 alloy's to a camper trailer hub due primarily to the centre hole size of the rim.

2. I should be able to get standard steel D2 rims and hubs to fit, but will most likely end up with AF nuts on the trailer hubs

I don't have a problem with D2 steels on the trailer and as trailer spares, I'd just need to carry a couple of sets of steel rim nuts for the Disco.

So why, when I've talked to any of the trailer manufacturers, do they all say no to D2 rim's of any kind?

:confused:

[Utemad]

The problem with having the imperial studs on your trailer is that even though you can use the steel trailer spare on your car you can't use your car spare on your trailer if you have mags on the car.

This is my problem at the moment.

[strangy]

If I understand everything on this thread:

So why, when I've talked to any of the trailer manufacturers, do they all say no to D2 rim's of any kind?

:confused:

Because they dont give a stuff about anything not straight off the shelf cos there is no money it for them. Plus most of these folk are drones whose ability to think beyond the norm is only matched by there inability to carry out any actions required by aforementioned thought.

[dmdigital]

The problem with having the imperial studs on your trailer is that even though you can use the steel trailer spare on your car you can't use your car spare on your trailer if you have mags on the car.

This is my problem at the moment.

Yes, that thought occurred to me too. I'm thinking if I have two spares for the car and 2 for the trailer (that can be used on the car) I should be right. The other thing is the steel rims can be changed with tyrepliers and levers a lot easier than an alloy so maybe also carry a tyre.


Because they dont give a stuff about anything not straight off the shelf cos there is no money it for them. Plus most of these folk are drones whose ability to think beyond the norm is only matched by there inability to carry out any actions required by aforementioned thought.

Not strictly true - they do charge for every mod you want done - $$$$$$$

[LandyAndy]

Hi DM
If you havent read my trailer post see here
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/trailers-vans-campers/40943-off-road-trailer-born.html
If you dont want to butcher D2 alloys for spares as I did,get D2 steels for spares.They do fit the electric brake hubs.I was fortunate in that when I bought the Mrs her rangie,RichardK had 6 D2 alloys to throw into the deal.
I have 1 D2 steel rim which in time will be fitted with a matching trailer/D2 235/85x16 tyre which will fit both D2 and trailer.
My butchered trailer alloys are OK for the D2 but will need lower vehicle speed/frequent wheelnut checks if used on the D2.Gives me 3 spares!!!
Andrew

[markd2]

hi guys

had the same problem with wheels for camper opted for cruiser wheels (oops sorry) yes I know its a sin but you can get the hubs cheap ,wheels cheap etc and I carry tyre pliers with me so if the unmentionable happens I can inter change tyres both ways

cheers mark

[Koukandowie Brangus]

Ok have finally sorted my hub woes and have got a set of hubs that my steel fender rims will fit, however now the axel is too short becazuse of the toyo rims had an offset of 130mm and my fender has offsets of 150mm, anyone got any ideas that will help or am i up for a new axel aswell???

[Utemad]

Is it a technical problem or an aesthetic one?

If your axle is too narrow I'd think your only options would be new axle or wheel spacers.

[dmdigital]

Just an update. I'm opting for Defender rims (my other tow vehicle) and these will of course fit no problem. Just means 2 spares for trailer and 2 spares for Disco or lots of spares for Defender.

[Redback]

I have D2 alloys on my camper, well they are P38a rims actually but they are the same, i had no problems fitting them to the hubs i have, which are basicly Commodore pattern drum hubs with D2 studs that a company in Melbourne made for me.

I am fitting disc hubs to my camper soon, i have already got the disc hubs and tested to make sure the D2 alloy rims fit and they do and have then fitted my D2 14mm studs, the disc hubs are Commodore PCD trailer disc hubs from any trailer place, i have just punched the Commodore studs (12mm) out, drilled the holes out to suit 14mm D2 studs and bingo done.

If your not confident doing this, then any engineering shop will do it for you, just take the hub and studs down to them and they'll do the rest.

I will post some pics of what they fit like.

Baz.

[cucinadio]

mate, top find!!!
it has all you need to make you own !!! "brill red"

cheers