Australian Land Rover Owners

Freight Calc Gallery Games Arcade Markets Shop Chat Subscribe! Donate Files Links
Go Back   Australian Land Rover Owners > The Pinnacles > Discovery > Discovery 1

Discovery 1 Chat specifically relating to Discovery 1's

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 14th March 2010, 03:14 PM
jt_tdi's Avatar
Fossicker
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Heathcote Junction
Posts: 23
Thanks: 2
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post
exhaust

Thanks for the replys even though they went abit off topic lol, obviously turbo, intercooler, injector pump tweaks are going to make a difference but on my salary its not an option at the moment, probly should focus on getting an exhaust after my flex pipe broke off from the turbo (running no exhaust at all) i can tell you all having no exhaust like i do now goes the worst having the center muffler cut out and put stright threw muffler in went the best and having stock exhaust just went normal, so thats lead me to beleive a not so much restrictive 2.5inch system might be pretty good for it. ive heard the less back pressure for a turbo d is better but running no exhuast is really no benifit, its rediculously loud and people look at me angrily although i do like the turbo whistle haha.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 14th March 2010, 05:59 PM
YarnMaster
 
Join Date: Jan 1970
Location: Moruya Heads/Sth. Coast, NSW
Posts: 3,533
Thanks: 1,891
Thanked 656 Times in 509 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by big guy View Post
Thank you for your words of rudeness.
Do I blush now?

Are we talking road or F1 cars?
We are talking about a ancient diesel design that is designed to last not just good for one race or a quick drag.

A tuned pipe mandrel or other, 2,3 or anything can make a difference sure.
Taking out a muffler or putting a straight through exhaust in willy nilly will not.

I spend many hours in my mates exhaust technique shop selling and installing all sorts of stuff mainly that looks good and in general just makes more noise.
Just paint cans really but thats what people like.

We sold the odd Remus system too, they are not loud but tuned to the exact specification of each car. They cost a bundle and all in all, even their german sales rep tells us that its tiny, its a feel good thing.

Do exhaust, injection, cams clutch and driveline mods and now you are talking.

Now please Frank if you want to insult me do it via PM or better still, refrain from doing so in general. If I contribute to a post its from real life experience, if you feel I am wrong thats fine but let that be the end of it.

Big loud exhausts in general do not help, properly tuned for a specific engine will but still only marginal.
I'm not trying to insult you or be rude, the fact is that what you said is not correct and then you say "There is no science to back that up anywhere", I'm afraid you are totally incorrect, there is a huge amount of scientific (your word) evidence proving the opposite of what you say.
There is a very good book Published by SA Designs called "Tuning for Performance and Economy" a great deal of the book is dedicated to improved airflow thru the inlet and Exhaust, gives you Dyno readings with and without exhaust fitted, good reading, and that's only one of many books on the subject.
Also when I contribute to a post it is from real life, I have been a mechanic for 40+ years, I have worked in Motorsport, Trucks, Mining, Motorbikes and general Mechanicing, so I have had a little experience as well.
A practical example, I had my BA Falcon GT on the dyno, by just removing the the top of the air filter box I got an increase of 8Kw at the rear wheels, with just the headers fitted and no mufflers and no tailpipes I got another 10Kw at the rear wheels. So by unrestricting the inlet and exhaust I had a Gain of 18Kw at the wheels. Where is the evidence to back your story, I would be interested to see it, forgive me if I upset you, it wasn't intended to do so, but if you are going to make a statement that has no basis in fact then you must expect some sort of rebuff, Regards Frank.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 14th March 2010, 06:00 PM
setsuna's Avatar
Master
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: GLEN FORREST, Perth, WA
Posts: 119
Thanks: 12
Thanked 33 Times in 15 Posts
can't beat the truck turbo spool sound coming from a decent exhaust on a diesel =D
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 14th March 2010, 06:57 PM
big guy's Avatar
ChatterBox
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Prospect SA
Posts: 2,191
Thanks: 202
Thanked 440 Times in 373 Posts
Smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tank View Post
I'm not trying to insult you or be rude, the fact is that what you said is not correct and then you say "There is no science to back that up anywhere", I'm afraid you are totally incorrect, there is a huge amount of scientific (your word) evidence proving the opposite of what you say.
There is a very good book Published by SA Designs called "Tuning for Performance and Economy" a great deal of the book is dedicated to improved airflow thru the inlet and Exhaust, gives you Dyno readings with and without exhaust fitted, good reading, and that's only one of many books on the subject.
Also when I contribute to a post it is from real life, I have been a mechanic for 40+ years, I have worked in Motorsport, Trucks, Mining, Motorbikes and general Mechanicing, so I have had a little experience as well.
A practical example, I had my BA Falcon GT on the dyno, by just removing the the top of the air filter box I got an increase of 8Kw at the rear wheels, with just the headers fitted and no mufflers and no tailpipes I got another 10Kw at the rear wheels. So by unrestricting the inlet and exhaust I had a Gain of 18Kw at the wheels. Where is the evidence to back your story, I would be interested to see it, forgive me if I upset you, it wasn't intended to do so, but if you are going to make a statement that has no basis in fact then you must expect some sort of rebuff, Regards Frank.
PM send and received.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 14th March 2010, 07:05 PM
sschmez's Avatar
Wizard
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jan 1970
Location: Bayswater North, Vic, 3153
Posts: 1,014
Thanks: 171
Thanked 255 Times in 162 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tank View Post
I'm not trying to insult you or be rude, the fact is that what you said is not correct and then you say "There is no science to back that up anywhere", I'm afraid you are totally incorrect, there is a huge amount of scientific (your word) evidence proving the opposite of what you say.
There is a very good book Published by SA Designs called "Tuning for Performance and Economy" a great deal of the book is dedicated to improved airflow thru the inlet and Exhaust, gives you Dyno readings with and without exhaust fitted, good reading, and that's only one of many books on the subject.
Also when I contribute to a post it is from real life, I have been a mechanic for 40+ years, I have worked in Motorsport, Trucks, Mining, Motorbikes and general Mechanicing, so I have had a little experience as well.
A practical example, I had my BA Falcon GT on the dyno, by just removing the the top of the air filter box I got an increase of 8Kw at the rear wheels, with just the headers fitted and no mufflers and no tailpipes I got another 10Kw at the rear wheels. So by unrestricting the inlet and exhaust I had a Gain of 18Kw at the wheels. Where is the evidence to back your story, I would be interested to see it, forgive me if I upset you, it wasn't intended to do so, but if you are going to make a statement that has no basis in fact then you must expect some sort of rebuff, Regards Frank.

Geez Frank

Anything you haven't been, haven't done ????

In THIS POST you were ......
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tank
I have been a Ticketed rigger for over 30 years, so I have some experience in this field,
Pull your head in and mind your manners please.

Stevo
__________________

'95 Discovery 300tdi Auto - mine
'97 ES Discovery V8 Auto - "town car" - hers
'95 Discovery X300tdi Manual - parts

Huts Photos
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 14th March 2010, 08:24 PM
**Discovery300Tdi**'s Avatar
Wizard
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: melbourne
Posts: 1,359
Thanks: 657
Thanked 413 Times in 165 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by jt_tdi View Post
Thanks for the replys even though they went abit off topic lol, obviously turbo, intercooler, injector pump tweaks are going to make a difference but on my salary its not an option at the moment, probly should focus on getting an exhaust after my flex pipe broke off from the turbo (running no exhaust at all) i can tell you all having no exhaust like i do now goes the worst having the center muffler cut out and put stright threw muffler in went the best and having stock exhaust just went normal, so thats lead me to beleive a not so much restrictive 2.5inch system might be pretty good for it. ive heard the less back pressure for a turbo d is better but running no exhuast is really no benifit, its rediculously loud and people look at me angrily although i do like the turbo whistle haha.
Look mate at the end of the day the main thing is that your happy with the outcome on what ever decision you make. All trucks are different in one way or another and some might get a whistle from the turbo and some might not. I went with a 2 and a half inch straight through muffler which benifits me as the egt drops and gets out quicker that what I wanted and that's what I got. So go for it and hope all works out.
__________________
95 Disco 300tdi - Now with MORE BOOST
Cheers Simo
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 14th March 2010, 08:41 PM
YarnMaster
 
Join Date: Jan 1970
Location: Moruya Heads/Sth. Coast, NSW
Posts: 3,533
Thanks: 1,891
Thanked 656 Times in 509 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by sschmez View Post
Geez Frank

Anything you haven't been, haven't done ????

In THIS POST you were ......


Pull your head in and mind your manners please.

Stevo
That's right, started a mechanics apprenticeship when I was 15 (now 63) and later while working in the mining industry decided to do a Riggers ticket.
Am now a Class 1 Ticketed rigger, a ticketed Dogman, and Mobile crane driver's ticket, ticketed Scaffolder. Also have Class 5 drivers lic., I am now about to do a course to get a welders ticket, anything else you would like to know, anyway it might be better if you pull your head in sport, nobody asked you to butt in, Regards Frank.
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 14th March 2010, 09:20 PM
sschmez's Avatar
Wizard
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jan 1970
Location: Bayswater North, Vic, 3153
Posts: 1,014
Thanks: 171
Thanked 255 Times in 162 Posts
You were rude to me that time and rude to others this time...
that time you were wrong as well .........

Mind your manners and don't "sport" me "CHAMP"
__________________

'95 Discovery 300tdi Auto - mine
'97 ES Discovery V8 Auto - "town car" - hers
'95 Discovery X300tdi Manual - parts

Huts Photos
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 14th March 2010, 09:53 PM
Chucaro's Avatar
ForumSage
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: South East Tasmania
Posts: 5,791
Thanks: 1,141
Thanked 1,572 Times in 1,142 Posts
There have to be something wrong with the water down south
Boys we are here to have fun, and if someone have a bad day we just have to ignore their manners if any
Have a glass of red
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Chucaro For This Useful Post:
big guy (15th March 2010)
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 15th March 2010, 02:25 AM
klappers's Avatar
Wizard
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Perth
Posts: 1,250
Thanks: 810
Thanked 163 Times in 126 Posts
Umm, anyway. Turbo restriction is before the exhaust vaine on the turbo. Any time that you remove "restriction" post turbo is going to be a good thing. Removing the center muffler on a Tdi Disco is going to give you better EGT's (ie. lower). For this alone, it will be worth while. It will help performance a little bit (you will still have the main muffler at the back so this will help quiten down the turbo) but, like I said, the decrease in EGT alone will be worth while. It is a cheap and easy mod to do, and once you have done it, it will be easy to change the rest of the system when funds allow. The best exhaust for a turbo application is one that increases in diameter as close to the back of the turbo as possible (so say that the outlet on the back of your turbo is 3", you would want to go to 4"), and is short and restriction free (ie. straight through).
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to klappers For This Useful Post:
Tank (15th March 2010)
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT +10. The time now is 11:47 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
Australian Land Rover Owners
Copyright ©2001 - 2012, Dave Blears and aulro.com