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Old 20th March 2010, 07:58 AM
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Dual fuel - Where is your gas tank??

Hi there,

I'm going to have an injected gas setup fitted to my Disco, and I'm also keeping the petrol. So my question to those that have a dual fuel setup is: where is you gas tank??

Is there anything I need to know, or do, before having injected gas fitted?? Any particular issues that I should be aware of??

I was thinking about having a flat (pancake??, scuba??) tank fitted in the wagon bit, and then build a shelf over the top of it, therefore saving some storage space in the rear. Does anyone currently have this setup??

Also, if anyone in Melbourne or Geelong can recommend a gas place that they know does a good job, specifically relating to Land Rover installs, please let me know.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 20th March 2010, 11:17 AM
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2 tanks between the rails on my D1 and 3 scubas in the load area of my D2 and I prefer the D2 overall that maintains original petrol tanks and are only about 200mm off the deck so with the high rear you have plenty of room still...but they dont fit in the D1, so for me I would go the external tanks and go a long range petrol tank. The underneath set up reduces clearance at the rear most point by about 1 inch or less.

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I have a tank behind the rear seat of my Disco 1 which is a triple cylinder arranged as a flat pack and is only 200mm high with a capacity of 60l. I fitted a sheet of ply on top so you get useable space for luggage etc
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Hi there,

I'm going to have an injected gas setup fitted to my Disco, and I'm also keeping the petrol. So my question to those that have a dual fuel setup is: where is you gas tank??

Is there anything I need to know, or do, before having injected gas fitted?? Any particular issues that I should be aware of??

I was thinking about having a flat (pancake??, scuba??) tank fitted in the wagon bit, and then build a shelf over the top of it, therefore saving some storage space in the rear. Does anyone currently have this setup??

Also, if anyone in Melbourne or Geelong can recommend a gas place that they know does a good job, specifically relating to Land Rover installs, please let me know.

Thanks in advance.
Check this link about fitting injected gas on a P38A

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/p38a-range...hlight=marelli

You get 70L gas in 2 tanks underneath, 25L of petrol in a rear corner tank, you can also run a sill tank (45L) for extra petrol range. There are plenty of second hand D1 under floor kits around, especially in Melbourne. I see them every couple of weeks on ebay.

The flat tank assemblies are called manifold tanks, are made to fit Ford wagons XA to EL. Easy to fit and also plenty around.
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Old 20th March 2010, 04:40 PM
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tank

When i had the gas fitted to my d1 i was told that to put the tank/s underneath the car and fit a smaller fuel tank would cost me an extra 1800 dollars, so being a tight ass i had a 90l tank fitted in the cargo area.
I'm glad i went this way because i really dont miss the space (we just chuck everything over the gas tank!) and i don't have to fill the tank as often as you would if it were smaller (under car)
In saying that it still would be nice if the tank was under the car.
I guess the real question is how much money is the space in the rear worth?
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2 tanks between the rails on my D1 and 3 scubas in the load area of my D2 and I prefer the D2 overall that maintains original petrol tanks and are only about 200mm off the deck so with the high rear you have plenty of room still...but they dont fit in the D1, so for me I would go the external tanks and go a long range petrol tank. The underneath set up reduces clearance at the rear most point by about 1 inch or less.

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Shame the D2 setup doesn't fit the D1.

I was hoping to just have the flat tank installed to save cash doing mod's, etc. I'll have to check price differences on each method.

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I have a tank behind the rear seat of my Disco 1 which is a triple cylinder arranged as a flat pack and is only 200mm high with a capacity of 60l. I fitted a sheet of ply on top so you get useable space for luggage etc
Don't suppose you could post up a pic for me could you mate??

When you say capacity is 60L, is that tank capacity or the amount you can squeeze into it??

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Check this link about fitting injected gas on a P38A

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/p38a-range...hlight=marelli

You get 70L gas in 2 tanks underneath, 25L of petrol in a rear corner tank, you can also run a sill tank (45L) for extra petrol range. There are plenty of second hand D1 under floor kits around, especially in Melbourne. I see them every couple of weeks on ebay.

The flat tank assemblies are called manifold tanks, are made to fit Ford wagons XA to EL. Easy to fit and also plenty around.
Cheers for the link.

So the manifold tanks for the Fords fit ok in the cargo area of the D1 yeah, or do you mean that they'll fit underneath?? I'll have to check them out.

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When i had the gas fitted to my d1 i was told that to put the tank/s underneath the car and fit a smaller fuel tank would cost me an extra 1800 dollars, so being a tight ass i had a 90l tank fitted in the cargo area.
I'm glad i went this way because i really dont miss the space (we just chuck everything over the gas tank!) and i don't have to fill the tank as often as you would if it were smaller (under car)
In saying that it still would be nice if the tank was under the car.
I guess the real question is how much money is the space in the rear worth?
I'm a tight arse too!!!

Seriously though, $1800 on top of what it's going to cost me to install it in the cargo area is a bit rich to be honest. There's the Government grant gone.

Space is pretty valuable to me, we have 4 dogs (Lab, Staffy, and 2 Jacks) and although they don't always come out in the D1, it's the times that they do that I'll need the room. I also have a sub-woofer and amp setup in the cargo area, so space is getting near a premium already. I can probably work around things if needs be though, especially if there's thousands of dollars involved.

Guess I'll get prices on the different methods, and decide then.



Thanks to all for your replies.
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Manifold tanks go inside, rated at 59 litres of LPG. There are plenty of pictures on this forum, where people have built covers for them to stack stuff on top.
If you are on a budget why are you going for gas injection? I have never bothered on a D1, they are very succesful when done with the correct gas mixer system. I have fitted dozens with gas mixers, and they go just fine.
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Surely an injected system is uneconomical for a D1, the engines are old tech and the cost the conversion would be nearly the value of the vehicle, i would save your pennies and fit the twin underfloor tanks with the 35/40L side tank.
To me it is pointless having a wagon that has a tiny boot space anyway just to fill that space with a gas tank/ tanks. On my old rangie i have the twin underfloors 70L useable capacity for a range of 350-370 k's and twin sill petrol tanks of 45L each so i had a combined range of nearly 1000k.
This meant i still had the full boot space to use.
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I had manifold tanks in back and also 2 underslung tanks and a little sill tank for petrol fitted.
Gas range is limited and on long drives if that what you will be doing you will need petrol range.
If you only pottering around town, it won't matter.
Also on a D1, I would definately not bother with gas injection, a conventional system be just fine, save the money and spend it on other goodies.

The D1 is a basic car and its best to stick to the KISS prinicipal.
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Manifold tanks go inside, rated at 59 litres of LPG. There are plenty of pictures on this forum, where people have built covers for them to stack stuff on top.
If you are on a budget why are you going for gas injection? I have never bothered on a D1, they are very succesful when done with the correct gas mixer system. I have fitted dozens with gas mixers, and they go just fine.
Ok thanks, well I'll have to look at the mixers too then. I've just started out researching the whole gas thing. The reason I was looking at injected was so that I didn't lose any power when running on gas.

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Surely an injected system is uneconomical for a D1, the engines are old tech and the cost the conversion would be nearly the value of the vehicle, i would save your pennies and fit the twin underfloor tanks with the 35/40L side tank.
To me it is pointless having a wagon that has a tiny boot space anyway just to fill that space with a gas tank/ tanks. On my old rangie i have the twin underfloors 70L useable capacity for a range of 350-370 k's and twin sill petrol tanks of 45L each so i had a combined range of nearly 1000k.
This meant i still had the full boot space to use.
Thanks for the input mate. Will do a little more research and costings on everything to see what the most viable option is.

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I had manifold tanks in back and also 2 underslung tanks and a little sill tank for petrol fitted.
Gas range is limited and on long drives if that what you will be doing you will need petrol range.
If you only pottering around town, it won't matter.
Also on a D1, I would definately not bother with gas injection, a conventional system be just fine, save the money and spend it on other goodies.

The D1 is a basic car and its best to stick to the KISS prinicipal.
Thanks mate. With the money savings, I could get some lockers... Wonder if I can get that past the missus.

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