Thread: identifying a jeep?

Fully imported CJ jeeps started in 1974 with the rambler motor with different chassis and steering etc.
Only the gearbox and transfercase and middle to rear of the body was the same.
They were a big improvement on the early brisbane made CJ jeeps as the track was wider and brakes better making for a much safer vehicle.
The local content of the Brisbane made CJ jeeps would have easily exceeded the 60 percent mark as a jeep with the falcon motor had locally made
motor
transmission
All electricals
Brakes
diffs
Springs
Shockers
Body components mostly locally made.
The CJ 6 chassis was a CJ5 one chopped and strenghten here for the extra lenght.
Seats were locally made.
Things like the speedo,bonnet was imported and I suspect the CJ5 chassis steering wheel and most likely the steering box.

OK, there's some right and wrong info in this thread.
Dad had a '67 Wagoneer from about '71 on, my first car was a '74 CJ6 in 1983 and I also had a '70 J3000 as a work truck, so I know a little about these things.

The AMC six (Rambler/Nash) was only fitted from '73 on in the US.
The original size was the 232 cu. in version, and that was the only engine sold here in the CJ's from '74 until the CJ-7 was introduced in '79.
The full sized Jeeps usually came with the 258/4.2 litre version unless specced with a V8
The wheel base was extended by 4" on both the CJ5 and 6 from 80" to 84" and 100" to 104" respectively to accommodate the straight six engines.
It was all in the front clip, you can see this clearly in the front guards.

In the US the F head 4 cylinder was originally used in the 5 and 6, the V6 225 Buick 'Dauntless' engine was an option in the late sixties until the AMC engines were shoehorned in.

In Oz, as Philip said, a mix of engines were used including the Kaiser-Willys F head four, the F head 'Hurricane' six in the larger Willys utes and Wagon, the Falcon six's in Wagoneers and J Series trucks, and the Kaiser-Willys 230 cu in 'Tornado' six cylinder OHC engine in the Wagoneer and trucks.
I still have a head here somewhere from a Tornado I think, they suffered from head gasket problems, (electrolysis) no one in Australia knew what coolant was back then but had gobs of torque for a small displacement six and were very smooth and could really rev out. The same lobe opened the inlet and exhaust valves via rockers from the single OH cam, valves were inclined at 90* in a full hemi chamber.

The Borg Warner 3 speed used here wasn't as strong as the US boxes, (T-89) it could spit first gear in hard use.
Can't remember the model # now of the Oz spec box (T-86 ?? or have I got those number arse about ? once upon a time I knew all this guff off the top of my head )
At least the trucks used the T-98A four speed with the granny first gear.

The t/case used on a sixties CJ should be the Spicer (Dana) 18, from '73 on they used the Dana 20 like the full sized Jeeps used through the sixties.

I know nothing of the Borg Warner diffs used in the Oz assembled CJ's, other than the first time i sawa photo it looked all wrong.

Basically a sixties era Brisbane assembled Jeep could come with anything that they had on hand at the time.

I had a 1979 CJ7 over here new, it had the 4.2 straight six mated to a 3 speed manual box it was so antiquated compaired to a L/R of that time,they were imported into the UK by TKM down in Kent where they were rebuilt to RHD drive, all the US lights wiring including the side marker lights were simply cut off and nos Morris Minor type front turn and side lights fitted to the wings and really cheap trailer lights were fitted to the rear including a number plate light as used on L/R Series, it is now still used on the Pumas

Originally Posted by Grockle

I had a 1979 CJ7 over here new, it had the 4.2 straight six mated to a 3 speed manual box it was so antiquated compaired to a L/R of that time,they were imported into the UK by TKM down in Kent where they were rebuilt to RHD drive, all the US lights wiring including the side marker lights were simply cut off and nos Morris Minor type front turn and side lights fitted to the wings and really cheap trailer lights were fitted to the rear including a number plate light as used on L/R Series, it is now still used on the Pumas

Interesting Grockle.

Most all the early CJ-7's sold here were optioned up with Quadra-Trac (full time 4WD, which used a centre LSD as well as being lockable) and a 3 speed auto (Chrysler Torque-Flite ? Brian ?)
There were a couple of four speeds (T-18) with Dana 20 t/cases too.
These all had an ABS hardtop, 7" white spoked rims, etc.
They were easily the most comfy, best riding/handling SWB 4WD's on the market here at the time, although off road they weren't as good as their predecessors IMO as they didn't articulate near as well, a big front anti-roll bar contributed to this, as did the much wider spacing of the rear springs.

With Jeep, you couldn't have constant 4WD with a manual, buggered if I know why.

the 1980 my Jeeps had a four speed manual as std.,some of the auto moderls had a floor shift instead of the usual str column position.

Originally Posted by rick130

Interesting Grockle.

Most all the early CJ-7's sold here were optioned up with Quadra-Trac (full time 4WD, which used a centre LSD as well as being lockable) and a 3 speed auto (Chrysler Torque-Flite ? Brian ?)
There were a couple of four speeds (T-18) with Dana 20 t/cases too.
These all had an ABS hardtop, 7" white spoked rims, etc.
They were easily the most comfy, best riding/handling SWB 4WD's on the market here at the time, although off road they weren't as good as their predecessors IMO as they didn't articulate near as well, a big front anti-roll bar contributed to this, as did the much wider spacing of the rear springs.

With Jeep, you couldn't have constant 4WD with a manual, buggered if I know why.

My mate's '79 has a Hydramatic with Quadratrac full time 4WD. It is limited slip with a locking facility as you say. A very good system.

Mate has one arm and one leg from a motor-cycle accident. This was the only 4WD on the market that he could drive. It now has power steering which he wished he could have had when purchased. It really is a good piece of kit. Has been all around Oz with a minimum of problems and maintenance.

Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

My mate's '79 has a Hydramatic with Quadratrac full time 4WD. It is limited slip with a locking facility as you say. A very good system.

Mate has one arm and one leg from a motor-cycle accident. This was the only 4WD on the market that he could drive. It now has power steering which he wished he could have had when purchased. It really is a good piece of kit. Has been all around Oz with a minimum of problems and maintenance.

HQ-HZ (Saginaw) PS boxes were a bolt in, up to and including the pitman arm splines and input shafts.
Both my CJ and J3000 ended up with Holden steering boxes.
Original box in the J3000 was a Gemmer, can't remember what the CJ used.

I believe Ford assembled Jeeps, and were owed money. That's how the 4X4 XY came about, Ford cut out the bill by using Jeep's transfer and Danas.

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I know this is not true. Ford did not assemble Jeeps but supplied engines from Parts.
It happened as I described.
In fact during testing of the Hot Orange mule Falcon 4x4 , the testers found that the front axle bent, so a whole batch of new axles had to be ordered from Dana. (And they cracked at the A pillar join so needed a reinforcement added)
This took AFAIR about 18 months and the 433 XY bodies lay in the back yard of Brisbane Plant. By this time XA had been introduced so the 4x4 utes could not be run down the assembly line at the same time.
So they were built only on weekends and as the plant only had a skeleton staff I volunteered to run them off the FA line to the gate.
Regards Philip A