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    6x6 drive and suspension

    While we're on the subject of 6X6.

    If a 6X6 is fully coil sprung each axle is independant of the other, hence no load sharing.

    On trucks, when air bag suspension is fitted to a bogie drive (R series Army Macks included) the suspension is considered load sharing.

    Question. If you have coils on a 6X6 and fit air "load assistance" bags, like Polyair, and have them connected together via the air line as a pair on each side, are they now load sharing?

    Like you could do on one of these:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post

    Question. If you have coils on a 6X6 and fit air "load assistance" bags, like Polyair, and have them connected together via the air line as a pair on each side, are they now load sharing?
    That would be partially load sharing (not sure if there is a technical category for that. If you swapped the coils for truck air springs and connected them in the same way then they would be fully load sharing.

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    Thanks Ben.

    What about using the bags from an air suspension Rover?

    Or would they not have sufficient capacity or length for a Defender susension?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    Thanks Ben.

    What about using the bags from an air suspension Rover?

    Or would they not have sufficient capacity or length for a Defender susension?
    You could, but there are much better and cheaper options from places like truckspring Firestone Air Bags, Firestone Air Springs - TruckSpring.com

    Search for a thread by Hally and you will get all the part numbers. Rovercare, RangierRover, Hally, Bush65 and I all bought our air springs from them (or airbag man) AFAIK, and most of us have install threads with pics.


    EDIT - forgot to mention, 110/130 rear coils are larger diameter than RRC/disco. So you can fit a larger diameter air spring to a 110/130 (or 6x6 coiller) than a disco/rrc rear.

    The airbags from an RRC are about the same price ex UK as a firestone truck air spring ex US. However I think the wider springd would be a better option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isuzurover View Post
    That would be partially load sharing (not sure if there is a technical category for that. If you swapped the coils for truck air springs and connected them in the same way then they would be fully load sharing.
    As I mentioned on the 6x6 thread in the Forward Control forum. Instead of the upper ends of the coils being mounted off chassis mounted brackets they could be mounted on each end of a longditudal see saw beam centrally pivoted from a chassis mounted crossmember.Would have to allow space for the beam to swing up above the height of the chassis top though.Saw it on an independantly suspended (swing axle) tandem drive truck(RABA) in North Vietnam.For all the complexity though it would be simpler and more elegant to use the traditional pivoting leaf spring and 6 straight control rods instead of beam plus coils plus A frame.
    That other 6x6 thread went stone dead for some reason.
    Wagoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 123rover50 View Post
    VIN 6T9G14AAA10AAB001
    Try stamping that into a chassis. No idea what it means but its what they gave me.

    Didiman
    How is your 6x6 drive set up?

    Easo

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    Quote Originally Posted by easo View Post
    How is your 6x6 drive set up?

    Easo
    Its all standard Perentie 6x6 but I put freewheel hubs on the back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 123rover50 View Post
    Its all standard Perentie 6x6 but I put freewheel hubs on the back.
    Suspension design? Perentie too? What brand of FWH have you found that can stay intact on the back axle?
    Wagoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 123rover50 View Post
    Its all standard Perentie 6x6
    But don't you have Dana 44 axles instead of the Salisbury/Dana 60 that the perenties had???

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    Quote Originally Posted by wagoo View Post
    Suspension design? Perentie too? What brand of FWH have you found that can stay intact on the back axle?
    Wagoo.
    The load on the rear axle is not that great.
    2 1/2 ton on front and 2 1/2 shared between the two rear axles.
    FWH is a Shute Upton broached by Mal Storey to suit the shafts.
    Not a problem so far. Bigger problem may be the front axle load by making it a forward controll.

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