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    Ron, should they change the rules for English?

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    Friday, July 01, 2011 » 05:16am


    Oxford comma 'change' sparks uproar

    A report that Oxford University had changed its comma rule left some punctuation obsessives alarmed, annoyed, and distraught. Passions subsided as the university said the news was imprecise, incomplete and misleading.

    Catch the difference between the two previous sentences? An 'Oxford comma' was used before 'and' in the first sentence, but is absent in the second.

    Guides to correct style differ and the issue became heated on Twitter after reports of the Oxford comma's demise.

    But have no fear, comma-philes: the Oxford comma lives.

    Oxford University Press, birthplace of the Oxford comma, said on Thursday that there has been no change in its century-old style, and jumped into the Twittersphere to confirm that it still follows the standard set out in 'New Hart's Rules'.

    The only explicit permission to dispense with the Oxford comma - apparently the cause of the alarm - was in a guide for university staff on writing press releases and internal communications.

    'It's not new, it's been online for several years already,' said Maria Coyle in the university press office.

    Yet the report caused a Twitterstorm.

    'For teaching me that the Oxford comma resolves ambiguity, I'd like to thank my parents, Sinead O'Connor and the Pope,' said Twitter user Aaron Suggs, deftly illustrating the potential damage that can be caused to a sentence's meaning.

    The kerfuffle at least answered the musical question posed by indie band Vampire Weekend: 'Who gives a about an Oxford comma?'

    Well, people like Heather Anne Halpert: 'Are you people insane? The Oxford comma is what separates us from the animals.'

    Some style guides advocate the comma, others advise against it.

    Most also counsel using common sense to make the meaning clear.

    William Strunk, Jr, who has guided generations of writers through The Elements of Style, wrote in the book's first edition of 1918: 'In a series of three or more terms with a single conjunction, use a comma after each term except the last.'

    That position is backed by The Chicago Manual of Style and the style manual of the US Government Printing Office.

    The style guide of the British Broadcasting Corp also commends liberal use of commas 'in those pesky lists,' and advises a comma to separate each item.

    But style guides from The Associated Press and the London newspapers The Times and The Guardian dispense with a comma before the conjunction.

    The Queen's English Society agrees that 'there is no need for a comma before the 'and' unless the sense demands it'.

    And there is even a third school, exemplified by Henry W. Fowler.

    In The King's English (2nd edition), published in 1908, he gave this example his approval: 'Industry, honesty, and temperance, are essential to happiness.'

    'We unhesitatingly recommend the original and fully stopped form, which should be used irrespective of style, and not be interfered with by rhetorical considerations; it is the only one to which there is never any objection,' Fowler said.

    Students at Oxford University are free to choose a style in writing their papers.

    'They are just expected to use proper spelling and punctuation,' Coyle said.
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    weeeeeeeezzzz, that just when over the top of my head.
    do i need to know this? will it feed, clothe and house my family ? will it reduce the worlds starving, world peace?

    i think not, but it will make some happy and some not so. for they live in a very small world.

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    The many people being put off work in England at the moment would be very pleased to hear that Academic waffle, I'm sure. Bob.
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    I thought Ron would be all over this like a rash on Charlie Sheens privates.
    It's not broken. It's "Carbon Neutral".


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    Quote Originally Posted by VladTepes View Post
    I thought Ron would be all over this like a rash on Charlie Sheens privates.


    Didn't know they were acquainted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VladTepes View Post
    I thought Ron would be all over this like a rash on Charlie Sheens privates.
    would that be a red pox like rash? or a green ooozzzzee dripping rash ?

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    About as useful as their survey to find out if tea tasted better with milk added before or after pouring from the pot. They obviously have too much time on their hands.
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    I am one who always uses the Oxford Comma. Without it, some lists don't make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by p38arover View Post
    I am one who always uses the Oxford Comma. Without it, some lists don't make sense.

    Ditto.














    Does that make me a pedant too ?

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    Where you use the Ozitralian or the Spanglish coma

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