Thread: Toyota V8 going BANG??

Originally Posted by p38arover

If done under warranty, he's doing alright!

Yer,it all was,but he has had gutful of it..........,being a Tojo guy,he aint happy.

His 100 series never had a problem....ever

Originally Posted by Disco_owner

I didn't think this thread was a comparrison thread between Jap Diesels and Eurpean Diesels, but seeing you've quoted some figures from a MITSUI 3.2L TD a 441 NM in my opinion is quite a substantial figure and they don't detonate like the 3.0L Nissan do , not that I have heard anyhow, so to quote that Japanese don't make good Turbo Diesel engines based on a Nissan or a V8 Toyota alone is unfair.

I don’t think it’s unfair. Mitsu is the pick of the bunch. But the 3.2 DiD is behind the time compared all the EU 3.0L engines in power and torque by miles and only just matches some of them for fuel consumption... correct me here but the 3.2DiD basically matches the 2.7TDV6 Disco3 with 500cc more displacement and 6 years later.

Maybe unfair to say they are not good engines because they are proving reliable - but as the best one to pick - they are along way behind...

On the Toyota front – we can bet that this information will never get out – the Australian motoring media are so pro Toyota that there will never be a bad word said - and the owners will still stand in front of you and tell you how c**p your landrover (or anything else) is. I had a guy at work tell me that "you need to buy a toyota, nothing is as reliable and nothing is anywhere near as comfortable". mmm

Originally Posted by harlie

I don’t think it’s unfair. Mitsu is the pick of the bunch. But the 3.2 DiD is behind the time compared all the EU 3.0L engines in power and torque by miles and only just matches some of them for fuel consumption... correct me here but the 3.2DiD basically matches the 2.7TDV6 Disco3 with 500cc more displacement and 6 years later.

Maybe unfair to say they are not good engines because they are proving reliable - but as the best one to pick - they are along way behind...

On the Toyota front – we can bet that this information will never get out – the Australian motoring media are so pro Toyota that there will never be a bad word said - and the owners will still stand in front of you and tell you how c**p your landrover (or anything else) is. I had a guy at work tell me that "you need to buy a toyota, nothing is as reliable and nothing is anywhere near as comfortable". mmm

mmm , I've never have had a Toyota owner Bad mouth landrovers in front of me and there are a few in our Club Infact I was quite impressed with the 100 series Toyota Cruiser , it made climbing up masssive sand dunes at stockton look like a walk in the park but as said to name 1 good reliable Japanese Diesel engine is the Mitsubishi 3.2 and if it is behind the times , well that's good , as it has proven to be reliable and economical . as for NM figures , who would need more that 440 NM of Torque , you can pull huge weights with that amount of Torque.

Also Does one meassure power and efficiency of an engine based on it's capacity and NM figures I'm not biassed towards Japanses or European , infact I love my 300tdi Disco and I'll will be driving it to it's grave.

Originally Posted by harlie

the owners will still stand in front of you and tell you how c**p your landrover (or anything else) is. I had a guy at work tell me that "you need to buy a toyota, nothing is as reliable and nothing is anywhere near as comfortable". mmm

He's obviously either never sat in a commercial toyota, or never sat in anything other than a commercial toyota. Don't get me wrong, I really do like the Toyotas, but that comment is sooooo wrong its not funny.

Originally Posted by harlie

I had a guy at work tell me that "you need to buy a toyota, nothing is as reliable and nothing is anywhere near as comfortable". mmm

He's never sat in the back of a Troopie! Hard as concrete.

Willem

I drive 79 Series Troopies for work. I do a lot of km in them and apart from being a bit rough in proper 4WD cinditions (low range rock work) I find them pretty good for comfort.

The seats are standard with canvas seat covers. The rear springs are heavy duty with air assist (GVM upgraded to 3700kg, we run them at about 3500kg).

The seats will recline far enough to get a decent driving position, I am not wedged against the door pillar (think Defender!) and the A/C system actually works...

Originally Posted by Disco_owner

mmm , I've never have had a Toyota owner Bad mouth landrovers in front of me and there are a few in our Club Infact I was quite impressed with the 100 series Toyota Cruiser , it made climbing up masssive sand dunes at stockton look like a walk in the park but as said to name 1 good reliable Japanese Diesel engine is the Mitsubishi 3.2 and if it is behind the times , well that's good , as it has proven to be reliable and economical . as for NM figures , who would need more that 440 NM of Torque , you can pull huge weights with that amount of Torque.

Also Does one meassure power and efficiency of an engine based on it's capacity and NM figures I'm not biassed towards Japanses or European , infact I love my 300tdi Disco and I'll will be driving it to it's grave.

I’m not a Jap car hater, until now I always said "If you want the best chance of trouble free 4WDing go Toyota – not saying they never give trouble but it seems less often on average." That is the exact line I have used when someone asks for advice re what to get. I will not own a Toyota because I see them as an appliance, built to a high standard but with no imagination or innovation.

I actually hold the Paj in very high regard and would have no problem with owning one. I never said the DiD was bad, just not as efficient. I think a good guide to engine efficiency is a combination of outputs (power/torque), fuel consumption and emissions. So that still leaves my opinion intact – the displacement is not that important but there is a trend.

The DiD has an acceptable output (never said otherwise) but considering it is only just as good as my 10yr old TD5 for consumption than that’s nothing to get excited about especially when you consider that it has a much better transmission than my old Disco.

Remind me as to why Toyota and Nissan had to remove their 4.2L diesels from sale in Aus – not because they are unreliable (I would say the opposite) – that’s right - they failed our emissions standards which are some of the lowest standards in the developed world.

Take outboard motors as an example because the data is really easy to get. There are many manufacturers claiming to be "the most economical". And they can do that because in the disclaimer it will state a particular hull, load and sea conditions that this claim is true, and they can pull tricks like fit an inappropriate propeller to a competitor for the test. BUT if you look at the emissions data (tested to CARB standards by gov labs) you will see that there is a big difference between them including the different 4 stroke brands – there are 2 manufacturers that are well ahead of the pack and 1 of them is Jap… The other is actually a 2 stroke – yes 2-stroke that is matching the BEST 4 stroke and miles ahead of the others for emissions. When an independent body (coast guard, Gov dept, magazine, ect) does a comprehensive fuel test these 2 brands always come out miles ahead on fuel usage as well.

I’ve lost count of the number of Toyota owners (not all) that have informed me of how c**p landrovers are – Nissan/Paj owners don’t seem to have the arrogant ones amongst them. Best example was when I was informed at the Boat Club by a charming gentleman (quote) "you’ll need to get a bigger car to tow that – have a look at a cruiser" while walking a 3.2t boat up the ramp in Low Range…

Just my opinion and I keep it to myself in future.

Scary to think that some one could outlay that much cash for what was touted as the best engine and get a dud... Hahahaha, that makes me feel all warm and fuzy inside knowing that I own a Euro...


I am talking about the D4D V8 btw... as for Euro v Jap v rest of the world. Europe has been ahead of the curve as far as car manufacturing is concerned for a long time. Hell my fathers 1973 Peugeot had IRS and 4 WHEELS DISC BRAKES, mechanical injection and clocked up in excess of 500,000kms!!!