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    4BD1T - setup for oil drain etc

    I am looking for some info to help get my turbo kit together. Can anyone tell me:

    1. where is the best place to drain oil to after it leaves the turbo;
    2. is it necessary to run an external oil cooler when a turbo is fitted;
    3. can I run coolant to/from the turbo via a t-piece connected to the heater box coolant lines (I have 19mm hoses rather than rigid steel pipes running to/from the heater box)?

    running coolant from the heater box supply seems a good idea as it appears to by-pass the thermostat, ensuring coolant is constantly suppliedto the turbo.

    any info would be appreciated.
    Last edited by rar110; 9th October 2007 at 10:08 PM.
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    you can drain it back down the air outlet line (heads down into the sump to aid with crank case ventilation and removeal of the vac pump lube) off of the alternator mounted vac pump with a t piece, nope the suzis have an inbuilt oil cooler so you shouldnt need more than that and yes if you have a water cooled turbo you can simply T off of the heater lines if you need to.

    I'll try to get pics of the things Im talking about.
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    Thanks Dave. I will probably have to extend/move out the crank case breather. So I might look at making a T there also for the oil drain. Alternatively I read a double banjo bolt at motor end of the alternator oil drain works.
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    Perentie 110 wagon ARN 48-699 another project
    Track Trailer ARN 200-117
    REMLR # 137

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    Boring into the block just above the sumpe will give you a much bigger drain hole than the alternator. You're not just draining oil, there's a fair draught of air and exhaust that comes through the turbo oil seals.

    IMO water lines aren't necessary on a diesel turbo. They're only there for hot shutdown on petrol engines. If you do hook up water lines then make sure that water can thermosiphon through it and steam can escape through the uphill line.
    If you don't then the coolant will boil and vapourlock when the engine is shut down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rar110 View Post
    Thanks Dave. I will probably have to extend/move out the crank case breather. So I might look at making a T there also for the oil drain. Alternatively I read a double banjo bolt at motor end of the alternator oil drain works.
    The alternator drain isn't sufficient, I had a flooding issue with mine, and ended up with the exhaust full of oil...

    I removed the small plate on the passenger side of the block under the manifold and welded a angled pipe to it, I then gave the turbo drain its own outlet to the sump.

    JC

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    thanks for the replies.

    Justin is it the oval plate with a screw at each end just above the starter motor. What is this for.

    That looks like good option, maybe weld a 17mm pipe on to it.
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    Perentie 110 wagon ARN 48-699 another project
    Track Trailer ARN 200-117
    REMLR # 137

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    Quote Originally Posted by justinc View Post
    The alternator drain isn't sufficient, I had a flooding issue with mine, and ended up with the exhaust full of oil...

    I removed the small plate on the passenger side of the block under the manifold and welded a angled pipe to it, I then gave the turbo drain its own outlet to the sump.

    JC
    was yours on the oil return line from the vac pump or the air return line from the vac pump inc? Id have thought that the beefed up oil/ air line would have had no hassles dealing with the oil flow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rar110 View Post
    thanks for the replies.

    Justin is it the oval plate with a screw at each end just above the starter motor. What is this for.

    That looks like good option, maybe weld a 17mm pipe on to it.
    Under that is the oil pump drive.
    Could work well, but I use a low mount turbo and have a 4BD1T with the facotry drain hole just above the sump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rar110 View Post
    thanks for the replies.

    Justin is it the oval plate with a screw at each end just above the starter motor. What is this for.

    That looks like good option, maybe weld a 17mm pipe on to it.
    Thats it. As Dougal says, the oil pump drive is beneath, but it drains back to the sump beautifully.

    Dave, I was using the alternator oil return, and the volume of oil was too much and backed up into the turbo housing oil gallery The guy that made my exhaust system had a fit because he couldn't weld the flex up due to the oil in it.

    JC

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    Quote Originally Posted by rar110 View Post
    I am looking for some info to help get my turbo kit together. Can anyone tell me:

    1. where is the best place to drain oil to after it leaves the turbo;
    2. is it necessary to run an external oil cooler when a turbo is fitted;
    3. can I run coolant to/from the turbo via a t-piece connected to the heater box coolant lines (I have 19mm hoses rather than rigid steel pipes running to/from the heater box)?

    running coolant from the heater box supply seems a good idea as it appears to by-pass the thermostat, ensuring coolant is constantly suppliedto the turbo.

    any info would be appreciated.
    Q1. already covered by others.

    Q2. already covered by Dave.

    Q3. I have a 4BD1-T with factory water cooled Garrett turbo. One of the water lines tees into the thermostat housing near the top radiator hose. The other tees into the water pump inlet, near the bottom radiator hose.

    I don't think you would have any problem with teeing into the heater inlet and outlet lines.

    Where are you picking up the oil inlet?

    The oil supply on the 4BD1-T tees into the line between the main oil filter and the oil cooler. The port is at the rear of the flange on the pipe that connects to the oil cooler. Just under this connection, in the oil cooler, is a pressure relief valve.

    The pressure relief valve at the oil pump, limits the pressure there to 99.6 psi.

    The pressure relief valve in the cooler, limits the pressure in the engine oil gallery to 64 psi.

    There is another relief valve that bypasses oil to the piston cooling nozzles at 42.7 psi. This is not fitted to the 4BD1 engine.

    I assume it is done this way (teeing into the line between the main filter and the cooler), to avoid the risk of oil flowing to the turbo, reducing pressure in the engine oil gallery.

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