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27th January 2010, 07:19 AM
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EMEI about White on SIIA Brush guards
Hi All,
We're talking about 1969 and a Series IIA army. I have seen many examples of the white tips added to the brush guards, Does anyone have the EMEI for this? (Army Instruction) In some examples the white finishes half way to the middle of the last vertical piece & others finish at the end. I can find no written information on the requirement as to the length. Only references in text as to it being implemented. I just want to get it right. Yes, yes I am fussy  .Ian 
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27th January 2010, 12:11 PM
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at this stage, we don't have any documentation pertaining to it.
My ambulance is a good example where the white marks have been painted 2 different lengths on the bumper. How confusing!!! It seems to have been at a unit level that the length has been decided. That said, we don't have every EMEI relating to the 2a's by any means. We have been trying to get the documents out of DMO for a while now. They do have them in archive I believe, we jsut need to get at them. there is a lot pertaining to ambulances for example that I would love to see. I have a bit of a list on what EMEI's there were. I'll have to see if one of them relates to the bumpers (if any). It may have been a general paining instruction rather than just land rovers. The other possibility is that it was only applied to vehicles frequently on public roads!
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1994 Discovery TDi 1961, Series 2 Ambulance. 108-098 - Eden 1981, Series 3 FFR. 33-727 - Grover - Gone, but not forgotten Registry of Ex Military Land Rovers Mem. 129 Defence Transport Heritage Tasmania Mem. 12 You know, strictly speaking, throttling the staff is my job
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27th January 2010, 04:29 PM
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PIctures from I guess others...
I guess I will go with the first Photograph. My brush guard appears to have been painted all white but I am skeptic as to who did the paint job!!!
It seems three versions existed, all white, some white and small amount white. I suppose it is probably how people interpreted the direction: Put convoy white paint on the tips... 18" perhaps? I agree there are LOT of files available & unreleased. Thanks anyways... Ian
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27th January 2010, 04:37 PM
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All white Circa 1969
Here is a photo or two from the AWM:
All white bumpers in Vietnam. Two different vehicles......... just to Mekong the muddy waters. Note how the door is different (added after removal previously) and it looks like a kangaroo on the passengers side guard... Ian
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27th January 2010, 05:04 PM
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All white Circa 1969
Here is a photo or two from the AWM:
All white bumpers in Vietnam. Two different vehicles......... just to Mekong the muddy waters. Note how the door is different (added after removal previously) and it looks like a kangaroo on the passengers side guard... AS BELOW... Ian Last edited by Sth65pacific; 27th January 2010 at 05:05 PM. Reason: System failure
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27th January 2010, 06:16 PM
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The white paint on the bumper/bumperettes on Rovers and trucks was an Australian safety thing and from what I can glean may have varied from state to state and even unit to unit.
Now the big question comes up as to what time frame you are restoring your vehicle to? If to an 'in service SVN' time frame then most vehicles would have had the white sectiones painted over purely as a self preservation factor. However some still retained their Aussie heritage markings whilst in Vietnam, one particular short base land rover went to HQAFV Bien Hoa/Saigon in 1965 in DBG with all its white extremity markings and this particular vehicle was later "commandeered" by the OC 1 Coy RAASC and served in Vung Tau, still in its DBG livery and white markings. Its movements were rather restricted to local Officers Messes and other forms of local entertainment, and it spent very little of its time in the bush. I believe this vehicle eventually succumbed to an Olive Drab livery once 1 Coy left country. MPs vehicles and some ambos were also still dressed in their 'home' markings but once again the movement of these particular vehicles was relatively restricted. Back home in Australia the vehicles had to be marked to compensate for the Australian drivers limited vision, apparently, so all extremities were painted white. The vehicles of JTC* and 393 Tpt at Canungra painted to the third upright of the brushguard whilst 394*Tpt Pl in Townsville in 68 went to the second upright whilst others hovered somewhere in between. (*Two different units I was involved with at the time. In these two cases my painting instructions were passed on to me by my OC, whom I assume gleaned their interpretations, different though they may be, from a higher directive.) These markings would have been done by drivers as part of their normal maintenance where a vehicle had to be marked locally whereas a new vehicle coming from an Ordnance store would have had a set marking done. The best answer to your question will be gleaned from photographs of your vehicle (or similar) belonging to the unit your vehicle represents in the time frame you select. Or in other words, take your pick. Regardless, which ever one you choose I am sure somewhere out there, there is someone who will say its wrong. anyway! As a passing point of interest, Onslow saw service in SVN with 6RAR and his bumper was painted white to the second upright. Strange for a combat vehicle! Regards Glen
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27th January 2010, 07:00 PM
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FANTASTIC DZ!
You guys never cease to amaze me. I am aiming at 1969 even though its a '67 LR. Just seems right for me. I would like to honor the 135th AHC (EMU) as a friend served in that unit. there would be more than that but as I have Aviation background that is my reason for the 'when'.
The 'brush' paint job over bronze green has made me laugh.. must have been a real rush to get everything olive drab... 'been there' with helicopters in the Gulf V1! we had to get then aircraft ready in a day or three! I feel so honored to be able to try & get it all right.. dents bullet holes & all. I am getting there, slowwwwly. A GS PANEL is a lot of paint .Ian
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28th January 2010, 02:18 PM
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I've got a photo somewhere of a S2a GS 88 in vietnam painted all white with what looks like a red stripe!! I doubt it stayed that way for long.
From memory my ambulance has one line to the first upright, and another to the second. Best bet may be to find a period photo, but really it's a personal preference. Sorry I didn't get a chance last night to look for the EMEI. I was distracted by news that a friend from school had died and I didn't find out until after her funeral (which was 12:00 yesterday)
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1994 Discovery TDi 1961, Series 2 Ambulance. 108-098 - Eden 1981, Series 3 FFR. 33-727 - Grover - Gone, but not forgotten Registry of Ex Military Land Rovers Mem. 129 Defence Transport Heritage Tasmania Mem. 12 You know, strictly speaking, throttling the staff is my job
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29th January 2010, 10:44 AM
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G'day Sth65pacific
The vehicle in your post No 3 172-484 has the bumper painted exactly the same as it was when I rubbed it back during it's restoration, I even left the dented centre section of the bumper for character, it also has a push dent on the rear diff where it was "assisted" from a bog at some time in it's life A panel truck! that's different, postal unit, pay corps,intel unit  cheers
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