FFR/FFT Body Markings, Symbols, etc.

chris1983rangie · #1 (**permalink**) 23rd February 2010, 12:43 PM

G'day,

I want to add some vehicle markings on my FFT, but have no information on what the symbols are and where they go. I did know of a book from Remlr, is that out of print? does anyone have any images of FFT/FFR with body markings visible!

cheers,

Chris.

Phoenix · #2 (**permalink**) 25th February 2010, 12:20 PM

err, book from REMLR???

I think you are thinking of the vehicle markings book by stephen taubert that REMLR own a copy of.

What are the markings and i'l let you know what the book says.

Lotz-A-Landies · #3 (**permalink**) 25th February 2010, 01:48 PM

Chris

Most of the door markings that a FFR/FFT would have worn would have been directly related to the unit/troop/section to which the vehicle was assigned at the time.

Firstly you need to identify which corps, the time frame, location etc. the vehicle belonged or is representing.

The triangles, squares, diamonds and circles all represent the squadron or troop. The rest are call signs and vehicle number which may identify a person or just the vehicle in the chain of command and tended to be only used domestically on exercise rather than with in-country (overseas) operations.

You will often find they were applied in chalk.

or not at all!

chris1983rangie · #4 (**permalink**) 26th February 2010, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix

err, book from REMLR???

I think you are thinking of the vehicle markings book by stephen taubert that REMLR own a copy of.

What are the markings and i'll let you know what the book says.

yeah that book that Remlr has. i couldnt find any markings on my landy, as i rubbed 2 layers back on the body during preparation for a respray. There were 2 more layers to go and i just gave up. probably wasnt any markings at all if not faded out like Diana mentioned.

But i would like to add something on the doors and that upside down christmas tree thing on the guards & tyre pressure, etc.
just to give it a bit more character.

how hard would it be to get a photocopy or scan out of that book of some of the symbols?

cheers,

Chris

chris1983rangie · #5 (**permalink**) 26th February 2010, 10:43 AM

[QUOTE=Lotz-A-Landies;1190417]Chris

Most of the door markings that a FFR/FFT would have worn would have been directly related to the unit/troop/section to which the vehicle was assigned at the time.

Firstly you need to identify which corps, the time frame, location etc. the vehicle belonged or is representing.

The triangles, squares, diamonds and circles all represent the squadron or troop. The rest are call signs and vehicle number which may identify a person or just the vehicle in the chain of command and tended to be only used domestically on exercise rather than with in-country (overseas) operations.

You will often find they were applied in chalk.

or not at all!

Thanks Diana,

Would people disagree if i chose to put one of these symbols on the vehicle although it might not of been origionally on it at all.......?

by the way, that last pic with the chopper is a nice photo....!
that would of been fun!

cheers,

Chris

Phoenix · #6 (**permalink**) 26th February 2010, 12:09 PM

In some ways, it's best to say, I want to paint her up to look like this unit, and we look up the markings for that unit.

The door markings are detailed a little on this REMLR page http://www.remlr.com/vehicle-markings.html

that should give you some idea about the markings that you have seen photos of

zulu Delta 534 · #7 (**permalink**) 26th February 2010, 08:09 PM

Usually if the vehicle was allocated to a specific unit then it would have worn the unit markings of that unit, some units had markings on the doors to mark squadrons etc., but not all of them.
When a big exercise was being held, reserve units were also in the picture as well as the full time units, and often these reserve units did not have a full unit strength of vehicles on hand, so they would draw vehicles from the F1a "pool" specifically for that exercise. In cases such as this where the vehicles would be returned to the pool after the exercise then unit markings would be applied temporarily usually in chalk or some other easily removable substance rather than paint.
A vehicle from the F1a pool could serve with 20 or so different units per year so you can imagine the problem of call sign/squadron markings.
When I personally see a military vehicle whether it be a restoration or a serving one, the first thing I do is look for the unit identities as this says so much about the vehicle and its use, so with this in mind (assuming that there others such as me out there) I would suggest that you mark your restoration as correctly as possible so as to escape becoming known as an 'unknowing wannabe' amongst other titles. You have gone to this much trouble to collect and fit the correct parts, well, markings and paint are parts too.
Regards
Glen

chris1983rangie · #8 (**permalink**) 1st March 2010, 08:55 AM

thanks, i guess really the only way to find markings on the body maybe i should of kept wet sanding the body back, although i took 2 layers off and didnt find anything there were at least another 2 layers left. there could still possibly be something there. i'll give it another go when the body needs a re- spray. i'll even document the process with photographs as evidence if i find something.

At the moment i'll leave it and i will only put markings back on the vehicle if i discover one! and i agree that the vehicle should be represented true to itself and should be kept as genuine as possible.

Chris

hot rover · #9 (**permalink**) 2nd March 2010, 09:56 AM

I would suggest that you mark your restoration as correctly as possible so as to escape becoming known as an 'unknowing wannabe' amongst other titles. You have gone to this much trouble to collect and fit the correct parts, well, markings and paint are parts too.
Regards
Glen[/QUOTE]

I think you should paint it whatever colour and with whatever markings you want. At the end of the day it is only representational of what the was in service. Nobody can tell you exactly what markings were on a particular vehicle or what they ment unless there by some miracle there is a photo of the vehicle in service. Panels could have been changed so all of a sudden you have lost the original markings. I think the comment above by Zulu Delta about 'unknowing wannabe' should include the clowns that dress up in their army greens at events while displaying their vehicles. Because if you want to be that correct about it all wear the correct uniform etc. that portrays the unit that you are trying to represent with your vehicle. At the end of the day who realy cares. The important thing is that you have saved a piece of history from the scrap heap!!!!!!
Cheers Hot Rover

THE BOOGER · #10 (**permalink**) 2nd March 2010, 10:27 AM

You have 2 basic ways of looking at it you can pick a unit as diana suggested thats probably the most common or as ZD says keep it 100% original thats a bit harder as its not all ways possible to get the full history of our landys. Mine has 2cav tac plates and it was prob not anywhere near the unit but I was (and i do have the correct uniforms but dont wear them) am looking at door markings but they would be the ones from A veh as landrovers at my old unit were all GS and issued as required

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