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Old 25th August 2010, 10:30 AM
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Leaky wheel hubs

I have searched a bit but cannot find the answer.

Replaced all fluids in the old girl (1976 190") a couple of weeks ago. Now have oil leaks from the front hubs, RHS in particular. Showing oily trye prints in the garage. Not major but enough to run down the tyres and leave a patch on the floor.

I assume there are some seals that can be replaced? They were not leaking (well not as noticebly at least) before I emptied and refilled. There was oil in them, not too bad a condition and probably not enough.

I skipped the measuring poart of the refilling process and just filled until it ran out the fill holes, assuming, perhaps incorrectly, that they cannot be overfilled?

I have no desire (or ability) for major engineering, are the seals a big job to replace?

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Old 25th August 2010, 10:56 AM
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Gday Joe,

Not sure if you mean inner hub seal or drive flange.

I just replaced the inner hub seal on my 2A as oil had had got past inner hub seal to the brakes. Easy job really.
1. jack up
2.take wheel off
3.Undo drive flange bolts
4.Pull flange off
5. undo crown nut and remove lock tab etc
6. pull hub off
7.pry out inner hub seal
8. seat new seal...i just used a grinding disc between some newspaper and used as drift and gently seated seal...should be just a few mm under lip.
9.pack grease into bearings
10. re-assemble ..torquing to correct settings
12. give hub a few spins to check for smoothness etc
11. new gasket and goo on clean drive flange face and bolt back up

good time to check for axle wear while at it.

I am no mechanic by any means, but this worked for me pretty well.

cheers,
paul
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Old 25th August 2010, 11:51 AM
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If they are anything like a RRC hub, then they can be over filled. On the RRC swivels there is a fill hole and a level hole. The fill hole is a lot higher than the level hole.
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Old 4th September 2010, 12:02 PM
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Is it the hub seal? Oil will be all over the brake backing plate. Or is it the swivel seal? Oil will be dripping off the lower king pin. The latter is a much bigger job than the former, but neither is impossible. If it's the swivel seal it's an ideal time to rebuild the swivels and set the preload. If you're fairly mechanically adept it's a good way to spend a weekend. A wheelbearing seal is nothing major though, but check for deep grooves in the seal track on the stub axle tube. Hope this helps.

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Your description does not make it clear where the leak is from. There are three possibilities.

1. Drive flange. This will leak from either under the hub cap or the gasket under the drive flange. Replacement of gasket or the O-ring on the hub cap is simple. Leaking flange gasket may indicate loose wheel bearings though, so check this.

2. Inner hub seal. This will leak into the brake and thence onto the inside of the tyre. Replacing the seal is a remove hub job, but pretty easy, but if the running surface on the stub axle is scored may need the seal ring replacing (late S3 needs the whole stub axle replacing). Again, loose wheel bearings will cause this. Special tool - wheel bearing nut spanner.

3. Swivel seal. I think this is most likely from your description. Replacing the swivel oil may have caused this if there was none in there to start with, or if semi-liquid grease (also called "one-shot") has been replaced with ordinary oil. Replacing the seal is a fairly big job, but pretty straightforward if you have a manual. Contributors to leaking here include damaged ball housing, and loose swivel bearings. Consider replacing swivel bearings and bushes when doing it. As a short cut, there are available split swivel seals that are flexible enough to install with no further disassembly, and if done with care and everything else in shape, they do work, although not as long lasting. Done this way, and easy job.

Hope this helps,

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