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                                                17th February 2006, 03:19 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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			PIcs of a Tdi alternator rebuild
		
 
			
				
					After my alternator's bearings died, I decided to pull the old  one apart and see what makes it tick. It turned out ot be relativly simple so I rebuilt it - here are some pics and tips:
 
  
 
 
 This is what you start with. Those little nuts above the +ve post hold the regulator down. You'll need a 5mm,5.5mm 6mm and a 7mm socket to get it off. Take the plastic cover off the back and those wire stubbs you can see around the edge of the cover need to be de-soldered from housing. A small butane soldering iron won't be able to handle it - use a big mutha (And plumbing quality solder- has a higher melting point).
 
  
 
 
 
 This is what happens if you hit it with a hammer.  
 
 After you take the front pulley off, and undothe casing, refit the pulley nut onto the shaft to protect the front thread and tap gently That will split the case and the front half should come off easy. Use a wood block to protect the rear shaft when removing it from the rear half of the case.
 
 You are going to need a small 2 post gear puller (Less than 3 inch). Or press with appropiate fittings. The rear bearing will most probably be frozen on, and also be r**ted.
 
  
 
 This is the rotor from a dead rangie alt I had leftover, same design and the slip rings weren't too bad. You can actually replace the rings, they disconnect from the rotor windings easy if you want to - finding the part will be difficult
  
 
 Undo the bearing holder in the front half, and tap out.
 
  
 
 Now this is the good part: Go to CBC and get a rubber seal 6303 and 6003 bearing. Pay $9 ea (inc GST). I use emery paper to smooth the bearing holder and rear shaft so the bearings slide on. Makes life easier, some may disagree. This is the time I also smoothed the slip rings on the rotor
 
  
 
 Bolt back together. The half circle item is the rectifier with diodes. It's a one piece unit, looks like the diodes are not replaceable. The rectifier is split in half on the bottom (Behind shaft). The left side has a silicone insulator you can just pick out, and the right half is uninsulated. I used normal heat conductive paste (Dick Smiths, $3) and cleaned all the junk off the base and terminals.Remember to clean off excess paste, as it's conducts electricity The bottom slip ring cleaned up OK, but the top still has a bit of a groove in it.
 
  
 
 
 This is the regulator, MM type 24TR, PN 28018A. As usual, none of the auto electricians I visited had any idea about this part. All the terminals needed cleaning with steel wool, and the brushes undo and slide out from the box section at the bottom of the regulator. Brushes are at top right of pic. Be gentle with them, and square them off with a small file.
 
 Put it back on, resolder the wires to the rectifer, refit pulley and back plate and that's it.
 
 At least you know whats inside if yours dies.
 
 Langy
 
 
 
				
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                                                17th February 2006, 03:32 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					<span style="color:blue">hey...its not fully re-coed untill you spray silver paint everywhere......</span>
				 
 
 
 
 
 
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                                                17th February 2006, 05:00 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Another worthy post langy. 
 
 I have one left over and have been threatening to pull it apart for ages as everyone tells me that they aren't repairable.
 
 So now I will have a go.
 
 I'll stick this in the common threads section.  
 
 
 
				
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                                                17th February 2006, 07:05 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Bear in mind this is a Disco Tdi alternator, the Deafener Tdi Magneti Marelli (Lucas) 65a one is different. It posess that piddly little INA needle roller behind the commutator that should be removed every so often, cleaned out and re-greased.
				 
 
 
 
 
 
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                                                17th February 2006, 09:00 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Langy, Thank you so very much. 
 
 One day if I can repay your generosity.
 
 We all need to learn, continuously.
 
 Working well???? GQ
 
 
 
 
 
 
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                                                18th February 2006, 09:14 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Just as a suggestion to anyone with a 200tdi Defender.  I have rebuilt mine quite a few times due to mud getting into the brushed and sticking them back, as well as getting into the bearings.  Also the output is very small (40amp from memory).
 
 In the near future I will actually be swapping the standard alternator for a Bosch unit, so I will post up here as I do it.
 
 Unfortunately, as pointed out already, parts for these alternators are very hard to come by.  Most auto elecs don't know about them, and even the bigger companies like Ingrams etc don't stock all that many parts for them - which makes it very hard to rebuild.
 
 However the Bosch units here in Australia are everywhere, and everyone knows how to either rebuild them, or stocks parts.
 
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                                                20th February 2006, 02:32 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					i replaced my 200 tdi alternator with a bosch unit from a magna.
 the mounting points are the same. its only the tensioning arm that needs extending into an 'L' shape.
 it helps to hire mr tickle for the day to fit the ba$tard though  
 i gave fred smith the exact bosch part no. and can't remember now :roll:
 i found the right fitting alt. by looking through the catalogue at the measurements.
 david
 
 
 
 
 
 
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                                                20th February 2006, 03:42 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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				Originally posted by modman
i replaced my 200 tdi alternator with a bosch unit from a magna.
 the mounting points are the same. its only the tensioning arm that needs extending into an 'L' shape.
 it helps to hire mr tickle for the day to fit the ba$tard though  
 i gave fred smith the exact bosch part no. and can't remember now :roll:
 i found the right fitting alt. by looking through the catalogue at the measurements.
 david
 
 
 
 Bugger, was hoping you had that number!  :wink:
 
 
 
 
 
 
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                                                20th February 2006, 05:42 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Excellent, that's the Defender MM alternator, thanks Bushie. 8)
 I'd saved those pages years ago, but when I tried the link I had to post on here, it wouldn't work.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			
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