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    Wheel bearings, Stub axles and Ignorance

    Driving back from an 'interesting' recce for next weekends LROC tuff trip I'd, fortunately, left the freeway intending to take the scenic way home when it felt like something had hit the back of the Disco and I lost power. Slowed down, checked the engine was still running, applied right foot, everything seemed normal. A few seconds later it happened again so I pulled over expecting to see a burst tyre. Everything looks normal until I noticed a whiff of smoke coming from behind the nearside rear wheel. Inspection revealed the hub was not rotating smoothly at all and I figured the bearings were gone but at 4pm on a Sunday I couldn't think where to get any from and ended up transporting the Disco home on a tilt-tray. ($$$)
    Dismantling the hub, oil seal and bearings showed the stub-axle to be a little mangled round the edges but probably usable (see photo) and I borrowed transport to drive to Karcraft and get replacements. After loads of advice, via email, from Scouse I rinsed the new bearings in kerro, let them dry, packed them with grease, fitted the inner one and the oil seal into the hub and couldn't get it on to the stub-axle.

    After a lot of swearing and banging things with hammers I realised why it wouldn't go on and today I've successfully removed the mangled inner race from the stub axle by splitting it in half. The surface it left behind wasn't too good but with the aplication of a fine toothed file and some 200 grade sandpaper it's come back to smooth(ish) again. I've pushed an old inner race on to it a few times and it's a little tight but can be removed by hand so I figure it will do.

    Any comments on re-using the stub-axle? If it's no good where's the best place to get an ABS compatible one near Sydney? Is getting one from a wreckers okay? What should I look for to determine if it's not okay?

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    without getting up close and personal.. DONT USE IT (not as is anyway)

    Take it to a machine shop, have them lathe it back then manufacture an insert that needs to be pressed or heat expanded on,

    While (atm) it may be hunky dory by hand with the weight of a rover on it you will get race flex, thats badm They will work for a while but they will go pearshaped very very quickly.(think speedy sleeves on steroids)


    That said, if you have to use it it will work as a stop gap but source a repaired one or a new one asap. This is one of the good things about landys everything is overengineered enough to allow you to make repairs or limp home on damaged items...
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    So if I put the new bearings on this one to drive around to get a replacement (say 150Km) are you saying the bearings will be ruined?

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    Dont get it machined.
    Get a new one of a good 2nd hand one from the wreckers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sclarke View Post
    Dont get it machined.
    Get a new one of a good 2nd hand one from the wreckers.
    Can you tell me what to look for to know I'm getting a good one? (How much should I expect to pay?)
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    Stub axle

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoDave View Post
    Can you tell me what to look for to know I'm getting a good one? (How much should I expect to pay?)

    IMO when it comes to things like stub axles, new is the only replacement. You were lucky it was a rear. Give Peter at Range Parts a call on 02 9896 2355.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoDave View Post
    So if I put the new bearings on this one to drive around to get a replacement (say 150Km) are you saying the bearings will be ruined?
    nope longer term than that...

    Its one of those things that could last 6 months of normal driving to 600 years...

    your going to find that getting it machined properly will probabley cost more than buying the replacement, but sometimes its quicker...

    IF your only going slow and easy the bearings will hold out on the one youve filed providing its not too far out of whack and the backing support for locating the bearing is still in good nick...


    dont risk it for longer than you have to and then put it in the parts box as a spare for when you really kill one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    nope longer term than that...

    Its one of those things that could last 6 months of normal driving to 600 years...

    your going to find that getting it machined properly will probabley cost more than buying the replacement, but sometimes its quicker...

    IF your only going slow and easy the bearings will hold out on the one youve filed providing its not too far out of whack and the backing support for locating the bearing is still in good nick...


    dont risk it for longer than you have to and then put it in the parts box as a spare for when you really kill one
    Thanks BK, I appreciate your expert comments.
    Machining is out because I just know they will turn around and ask me some question I have no idea about, like what should the finished diameter be, what hardness of steel should be used, etc. etc.

    I'm not going slow and easy - I want to drive up the F3 next weekend!

    So I'm looking for a "good" second hand, ABS compatible, rear stub axle.
    I've had one suggestion for a source. Any others?

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    The picture shows the stub axle with the old stuffed bearing inner race still on, what does the stub look like with the old race removed? It will probably be fine , but the sealing surface for the hub seal may need a tidy up, hard to tell with the old bearing race still there. If the part of the stub where the inner bearing sits is not chewed up and the new bearing slides on ok, all is fine. Really need a pic with the race removed.
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    Well here is a pic...

    ... I swear it doesn't look that bad to the naked eye!
    A bearing inner race will push on about 3/4 of the way by hand then it needs to be (gently) tapped home as it tightens up a bit, but it can still be pulled off by hand.
    Last edited by DiscoDave; 25th April 2007 at 05:42 PM.

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