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    Afternoon Guys,

    I have been reading the threads on this site for some time now but this is my first post.

    I bought a 2003 Disco TD5 Disco 3 months ago and love the way the car drives and am still totally excstatic with my purchase of this British icon!

    However, during my last trip back down to Sydney from Queensland (+/- 1,000 km's) I noticed that the oil level had raised on the dipstick by 3-5 millimeters.
    Being a fuddy duddy with my car, I took it to Graham Cooper the day after I returned. After looking at the car, he thought that it was NOT the injector seals leaking, it was NOT the fuel pressure regulator, but what the issue is, he wasn't too sure. He reckoned, the only thing that could be left as the root cause of this problem is a crack between one of the oil and diesel galley's......

    Does this sound plausible to anybody? Are there any additional tests I can carry out?

    If it is a cracked head, would this still be claimable at LR? I am the second owner of the vehicle from new and it has done 123.000 km - only 10.000 with me behind the wheel though? Engine wise, the car is completely standard.

    Looking forward to your advice and guidance.

    Thanks,

    Auke

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    The oil level on the dipstick changes significantly in the TD5 with nose of the car pointing slightly up or down. 5mm doesn't take a lot of angle change on the engine.
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    Slunnie,

    Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, this height change on the dipstick is when measured cold, on a level surface with no load in the car - thus eliminating external influances. Also thought that as the oil gets hot it may expand and raise the level, therefore always measured when cold and parked in the same (level) spot on the driveway......

    any more ideas??

    Auke

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    ummmmm... potentially bad news...

    if the oil isnt changing colour (ie not going to porridge from water mixing in from a leaky oil cooler) then you have diesel entering the oil from a leaky injector seal in the head....

    continued driving under this condition has the potential for a runaway if excessive diesel in the oil occours but you are risking other internal engine damage prior to that becoming realistically possable.

    check the viscosity of the ooil and smell it, if it smells like dieso stop driving it or minimise driving untill you get the injector seals sorted.
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    I wouldn't dismiss coolant entirely, I know of 2 (admittedly larger) diesel engines in forklifts where the oil level was raised by water in the sump yet it was not milky, the water was still on the bottom..

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    that'd be easy to eliminate, crack the drain bung hold it in place with one finger and unwind it till its dripping something out, if its raising the oil level enough to cause suspicion it should drain water first, just like a big ole fuel water seperator.
    Dave

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    I have heard of the deso leaking into the oil. Thought it only happened when the head was cracked.

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    There are a couple of things to do with leaking injectors.
    LR released a checklist recently that involves checking pressures & modifying a valve(?) at the filter area. I'm not at work for a while so I can't get the exact details.

    If that fails, it is possible to run the engine with the cam cover removed to see what is going on. After cleaning everything, you can often see which injector seal is leaking. Often replacing the seal(s) will fix the problem but in problem cars, a different spec injector is available.

    Do you know if your Disco is still under warranty?
    If not, did you buy it within the warranty period?


    There have been cases of porous/cracked heads but that's the last thing you want to hear.
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    If you get the oil analysed, it will reveal whether it has abnormal diesel or coolant in it, and more.

    http://www.e-monitor.com.au/

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    Quote Originally Posted by George130 View Post
    I have heard of the deso leaking into the oil. Thought it only happened when the head was cracked.
    no sorry mate the injector body itself is used to seal the fuel gallery in the head and it has (off the top of my head) 3 seals on it

    1 to seal the combustion chamber
    1 to seal the lower side of the injector
    1 to seal the upper side of the injector

    failure of the last seal will let diesel pump up past the injector into the rocker area and then back down into the sump. Fortunately it only pumps tiny amounts in with the pulsations of the injection cyclye a total failure of said seal would see the full 60psi of the fuel pump trying to fill the rocker.

    failure of the middle seal is pretty much inconsiquential (yes I know i spelled it wrong Ron)

    and failure of the combustion seal while Ive never heard of it would have some pretty spectaculare (and that one too Ron) results.
    Dave

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