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Thread: Suffix 'K' vs 'J' R380 ??

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    Suffix 'K' vs 'J' R380 ??

    I've read Dave Ashcrofts description of the differences between the 'J' and 'L' 'boxes,

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    R 380 Development
    The R 380 was introduced in 1994 with the suffix J which was a significant improvement on the LT 77 it supercedes, differences included a steel oil pump (as opposed to the LT 77 fibre one), an additional 2 support bearings were used on the layshaft and the mainshaft, wider gears, bigger diameter syncro rings, syncromesh on reverse and a longer mainshaft spline.
    This suffix J did unfortunately have a couple of design flaws which gave the R 380 some bad press, they were prone to the mainshaft shearing across the oil feed holes, the layshaft also sheared at a stress concentration behind the sandwich plate causing loss of 5th and reverse also early ones still suffered from mainshaft wear until the cross drilled transfer case gears became fitted as standard on the suffix G transfer cases.
    In 1999 the suffix K was used very briefly for a few months then came the suffix L that is used currently. The J and L are very different, 2 of the bearings were substantially uprated and pinion and layshaft teeth were widened again, this results in a much stronger unit.


    Just wondering what was different in the 'K' 'box, seeing as my very late '98 has one !

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    Where do you find the suffix no.?.Also you mentioned Motul gear 300 oil as a good high temp oil,who do you get it through? Thanks Pat

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    It's on the end of the serial # stamped into the box. if you look on the Drivers side there is a boss near the drain plug with it on.

    Autobarn sell Motul, but be prepared for sticker shock !!
    It makes Redline and Castrol syns look cheap.
    Link International in Brisbane distribute it, but you didn't hear that from me

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    Mine a ''J''.Can't complain,I haven't touched it in 400K!. Pat

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    Sorry can't help Rick. The R380 that was behind the 300Tdi in my rangie is a suffix K (soon to be Isuzu). I haven't checked what is in the disco.

    I assume the suffix K fixed the stress raiser problems of the suffix J

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    Thanks John, I've posted the Q on LR4x4 too, hoping Dave sees it.

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    Hi,

    as per the web site there are lots of differences between the J and the K/L but virtually nothing between the K and the L, same bearings, same gears, same baulk rings, slight dimentional difference on the layshaft but no strength implications,

    we treat the K and the L as the same thing,

    Dave

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    thanks again Dave.

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    Dave what do you run in your R380's oil or ATF?I have been thinking about running a thread to see what people run and how long they last and problems they have to find out if there is a difference in it.From what I have gathered ATF seems to give longer life. Pat

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAT303 View Post
    Dave what do you run in your R380's oil or ATF?I have been thinking about running a thread to see what people run and how long they last and problems they have to find out if there is a difference in it.From what I have gathered ATF seems to give longer life. Pat
    from their FAQ

    What oil should I use in my R380 gearbox? We recommend MTF94 in your R380 box.



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