TD5 or new 2.4 ??

Ok then come someone please do me a favour I can't because the battery is out of the defender as well as other bits as Ian is installing an SC80.

can someone please go start there puma with no feet on the pedals and tell me whether it stalls? if it stalls then it does not have anti stall (as it is my understanding this is part of the anti stall feature)and people are confusing the normal engine management with anti stall..

like I said I'm happy to be proved wrong but being as though I have stalled my car in high first at the lights more than once I don't think I'am..

and report back here:)

Well I've tried that and it didn't stall....

Feet nowhere near the pedals.... in neutral ...no issue :p;)

I wonder if anti stall and engine management aren't the same thing?

Have you noticed when coasting in neutral that the engine maintains about 850 rpm and when the vehicle is stationary then the revs fall to 750 rpm. That is in high range. In low range the coasting RPM is just over 1000 rpm.

My driving style has changed. Whereas in the Disco I used the handbrake on hill starts. Now I leave the foot brake on and let the clutch out. The Disco would have stalled under those circumstances. Just as well as the handbrake on the Defender as we all know is next door to out of reach.

I think the same thing is happening in low and high ranges just less obvious. It's easier to stall the vehicle in high range because of the ratios.

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Well I've tried that and it didn't stall....

Feet nowhere near the pedals.... in neutral ...no issue :p;)

I wonder if anti stall and engine management aren't the same thing?

Have you noticed when coasting in neutral that the engine maintains about 850 rpm and when the vehicle is stationary then the revs fall to 750 rpm. That is in high range. In low range the coasting RPM is just over 1000 rpm.

My driving style has changed. Whereas in the Disco I used the handbrake on hill starts. Now I leave the foot brake on and let the clutch out. The Disco would have stalled under those circumstances. Just as well as the handbrake on the Defender as we all know is next door to out of reach.

I think the same thing is happening in low and high ranges just less obvious.

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It's easier to stall the vehicle in high range because of the ratios.

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but isn't that the point of anti stall it should be extremely hard to stall, I'm not going to say impossible to stall as you can still stall the car in low first its just very very hard you have to put it in the right circumstances..

I find its easy to stall in high first by simply coming off the clutch to quick with not enough revs, on a gentle incline...to me that says that high first doesn't have anti stall and what in fact people are experiencing is the joys of electric engine/fuel management where fuelling is better and allows idle walking of the car under perhaps steeper/tougher circumstances...more so than a mechanical governor

I can't find any info that suggests either way whether it does or doesn't only what people have written on forums....But until someone actually shows me I will honestly believe it doesn't.

I will now have to test it though....and I may tomorrow if the bank outside my house is steep enough and I get home early enough for it still to be light:)

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can someone please go start there puma with no feet on the pedals and tell me whether it stalls? if it stalls then it does not have anti stall (as it is my understanding this is part of the anti stall feature)and people are confusing the normal engine management with anti stall..

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This should convince you?

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jhuKLrjJLg&feature=related"]YouTube- Land Rover Defender Towing a 12 Tonne Truck.[/nomedia]

Impressive, but it doesn't say it's in high range.

I have climbed some serious hills in high with no feet on pedals. I believe it works. Having said that I too have stalled more than once at traffic lights and every time in really soft stuff when I have tried to test the anti stall.
Kenley

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Impressive,

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but it doesn't say it's in high range.

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I have climbed some serious hills in high with no feet on pedals. I believe it works. Having said that I too have stalled more than once at traffic lights and every time in really soft stuff when I have tried to test the anti stall.
Kenley

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exactly and I was pretty sure I was told low first only by john that does land rover driver training here in OZ when we gave him our car to teach other how to use it.

When I collected the Puma I drove down in the 200tdi. I stalled the Puma twice driving her out of the dealers yard. This would have been in high range as Dullbird has said. I put it down to coming off the much lighter clutch in the Puma too quickly. I was expecting it to be the same as the 200tdi. Once I got the feel of the pedal everything was ok. Have not done it since.

I think we're missing the point here - it's called ANTI-stall, not "stall-proof".

If you drop the clutch heavily it will likely stall.

And yes, my understanding is that anti-stall is really just sophisticated engine management - it just fuels the engine sufficient to maintain progress - but it is NOT marketed as stall-proof.

Again my understanding is that anti-stall was popularised in Europe years ago as a fitment on manuals (they are the majority over automatics in countries like France) - improving not only driveability but also safety - the europeans are mad about not hanging around at the lights or when entering an autoroute...

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When I collected the Puma I drove down in the 200tdi. I stalled the Puma twice driving her out of the dealers yard. This would have been in high range as Dullbird has said. I put it down to coming off the much lighter clutch in the Puma too quickly. I was expecting it to be the same as the 200tdi. Once I got the feel of the pedal everything was ok. Have not done it since.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one that stalled in the dealers yard!! :D

I would suggest take the P38...

Get a BBS faultmate, give the thing the best going over of its life..

Then take it and use the thing :p