puma ??

[ If you Google land rover defender owner in the same manor as you Google Nissan, this site comes up as second hit. I would sagest that 20 minutes googling would push you towards the Nissan.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Mr McEnroe but......."You cannot be serious!":wasntme:

Sorry, but if you make all your decisions in life from Forums, well,.....I guess that is your choice.

I'm not sure too many people would buy a Nissan over a Deefer because the internet said they should. But, you are entitled to your opinion.:angel:

I'm actually also a Nissan owner (albeit an old D21 TD27T Pathfinder......), but the Navara and new Pathfinder fail to impress.
I've heard of guys spending well over USD$2,500 just to get theirs ACCEPTABLE for mild off-roading (trails rated 1-3 out of 5). Note I say ACCEPTABLE, not GOOD or even EXCELLENT. Mods include:
- radiator guards: Navaras and Pathys dig their noses in due to insufficient clearance under the new radiator
- suspension mods: to provide extra clearance as above, and also to stop the vehicle hanging up on the rock sliders
- skid plates and rock sliders: to avoid damage as above
etc
etc

I reckon a bog standard Disco2 with CDL and TC will knock the bloody socks off one of these "cars" (and I use the name car as I consider the new Nissans to be nothing more), and it'll cost a fraction of the price.

An old TDi Defender with CDL and a rear ARB will MURDER them.

Now I reckon a vehicle that costs well over USD$52,000 over here should be AT LEAST as good as the Puma which costs a fair chunk less.

OK, so we have a nice highly-stressed Nissan TDCi motor, but Nissan South Africa have now started turning DOWN the fuel and boost on these cars to avoid warranty damages. This is as per a PUBLISHED workshop memo. Up to 20kW reduction in power.

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[ If you Google land rover defender owner in the same manor as you Google Nissan, this site comes up as second hit. I would sagest that 20 minutes googling would push you towards the Nissan.

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Thanks Mr McEnroe but......."You cannot be serious!":wasntme:

Sorry, but if you make all your decisions in life from Forums, well,.....I guess that is your choice.

I'm not sure too many people would buy a Nissan over a Deefer because the internet said they should. But, you are entitled to your opinion.:angel:[/QUOTE]

Mate i think the first word in that line is "IF"

besides evidence is against you, 67% of private new cars sold have a large internet portion in the decision making process

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Thanks Mr McEnroe but......."You cannot be serious!":wasntme:

Sorry, but if you make all your decisions in life from Forums, well,.....I guess that is your choice.

I'm not sure too many people would buy a Nissan over a Deefer because the internet said they should. But, you are entitled to your opinion.:angel:

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Mate i think the first word in that line is "IF"

besides evidence is against you, 67% of private new cars sold have a large internet portion in the decision making process[/QUOTE]




And I would assume that's because people are looking at website of the Manufacturers mostly. Regardless, are you buying a Nissan or a Deefender? We want to know.... Or will you just tyre kick on here for a bit longer just trying to convince yourself you want one but you are not a calculated risk taker?:wasntme::D

I'm confused and bewildered. (not unusual for me) :confused:;)

The argument leads me to not buying a Defender because I read something on an enthusiasts' forum that might have informed my decision to take a risk (as you do with any vehicle).

A long time ago when I bought the Alfa I was told by everyone who knew everything that it would be a pile of iron oxide in the carport within a year....enough to put any reasonable person off such a fool hardy venture. I did a bit of research (the internet hadn't been invented) and my line of enquiry informed me that the vehicle was covered by a 6 year corrosion warranty and furthermore that they no longer towed them behind the ship on the way here.

What the research didn't tell me was that the leather cover on the gear stick was prone to coming off and the interior light cover had a habit of falling off. Had I known that would I have not bought the Alfa???? If there had been a forum like this I would have been informed and prepared to deal with the issue.

So that is what this place does with regards to the Puma Defender and other species and sub species of Land Rover: it informs and reassures the courageous for whom Defender ownership is the great reward. :D

71,000kms and still going strong! We love it, takes us and the kids everywhere and get plenty of attention.
I read all the negatives and make an informed decision myself. I have a really good relationship with my service manager and they really look after me well. It pays to be nice to them as they are humans to, just trying to do their job. If you look after them, they'll look after you.:)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...2011/10/78.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...010/10/774.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...2011/10/79.jpg
They ROCK !! :cool:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...010/05/239.jpg
Cheers,

Johno, what's your opinion on the Humvee?

Post some pix, will you?

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Haha, that's awseome, cute kid:)

Looks like the dead sticks near arbuckle junction in the high country!

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I'm confused and bewildered. (not unusual for me)

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The argument leads me to not buying a Defender because I read something on an enthusiasts' forum that might have informed my decision to take a risk (as you do with any vehicle).

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not quite, my intent was to high light the in balance of positive and negative posts about the puma by puma owners, there have been a couple of good posts by others pointing out how this has come about.

I then moved on to how it may look to others who are not current or may have never been land rover owners. My example of just googling any manufactures "owners" will give you quite a long list of " company " websites or dealer websites. of course there is no negative information on these sites. How ever if we google Landrover owners this site pops up second or third, so in short compared to other manufactures there is a lot more information or negative information close at hand than there is for other manufactures.

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A long time ago when I bought the Alfa I was told by everyone who knew everything that it would be a pile of iron oxide in the carport within a year....enough to put any reasonable person off such a fool hardy venture. I did a bit of research (the internet hadn't been invented) and my line of enquiry informed me that the vehicle was covered by a 6 year corrosion warranty and furthermore that they no longer towed them behind the ship on the way here.

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What the research didn't tell me was that the leather cover on the gear stick was prone to coming off and the interior light cover had a habit of falling off. Had I known that would I have not bought the Alfa???? If there had been a forum like this I would have been informed and prepared to deal with the issue.

So that is what this place does with regards to the Puma Defender and other species and sub species of Land Rover: it informs and reassures the courageous for whom Defender ownership is the great reward.

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Well that’s confirming my point, you researched and found out better information which lead to your buying an alfa. Today with the internet it is becoming or has become the first point of gathering information.

Or and like most people here. i wanted a LR so i got a LR in spite of having driven a GWM D3 across Russia TWICE and used it as my daily driver for 2 years in a climate and roads unimaginable harsh that most aussies couldn’t even begin to understand ( i mean that in a nice way) the only failed part I had was a burnt out wiper motor, this problem was compounded by the local dealer having there agency with drawn. end result was a truck sent from Moscow to pick the vehicle up ( now that’s service) Logic would dictate that i should get another GWM vehicle in Australia, i didn’t i got a LR because that’s what i wanted. my myself like the majority of posters here are already LR nuts so its really like preaching to the converted. BUT the largest market for LR products or the puma in this case are the NOT CONVERTED.

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71,000kms and still going strong! We love it, takes us and the kids everywhere and get plenty of attention.
I read all the negatives and make an informed decision myself. I have a really good relationship with my service manager and they really look after me well. It pays to be nice to them as they are humans to, just trying to do their job. If you look after them, they'll look after you.:)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...2011/10/78.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...010/10/774.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...2011/10/79.jpg
They ROCK !! :cool:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...010/05/239.jpg
Cheers,

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This post really makes the point , what vehicle can you do this to, wash, if you have time, and take to the dealer and have it serviced and perhaps complain that you had water/dust entry to be sure most times that attemps will be made to fix your problem without cost. My service centre now how I feel about my 2 Land Rovers and at all times go out of there way to make sure all is well and I have only praise for the Osbourne Park dealer ( I dont own or have shares in this compony by the way). I drive my Puma like its stolen and it has never let me down, my son who drives a D3 calls it a LR recovery vehicle and can not get over its performance.
Series and Defender vehicles are the basis of the modern 4x4 and are still the bench mark that all other manufacturers copy. LR are still in a legue of there own, even the tyre manufactures cant keep up.

Allan