HELP! Anyone raised a PUMA? Big TROUBLE!!!

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Originally Posted by rick130

Looking at panel tolerances, none of us should be surprised at driveline and general engineering tolerances being 'generous' on a Defender :D

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The panel gaps and alignment on my new 110 is terrible! Fortunately it's easy to fix, just takes a bit of time.....

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Originally Posted by lambrover

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People need to get out more and use there cars if they can sit there and say they don't need lifting, get off the black top guys and use it the way they where ment to be, the Army 110 is higher than standard 110's for a reason.

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hope this helps

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There will always be those that think their Landy is 'perfect' as it left the factory, and there will be those of us that think Land Rover only did half a job :D

I never went as high as some of you, 'only' going 117/114mm initially between the front bump stops on my Tdi, but it just avoided any driveline problems and i got away without castor correcting the swivels, again just, although i sometimes think I should whip them off and slot the buggers as I've always been an advocate of increased castor in solid axle 4WD's
Anyway, the increased travel with 10" stroke dampers all round and the slight lift helps keep the 130's belly off stuff that it would otherwise drag on and keeps it driving.

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Originally Posted by lambrover

Ha Pov man did you have castor corrected bushes fitted, I noticed that allen had these fitted, this is not needed for a 2 inch lift in these vehicles and correcting castor in a constant 4x4 vehicle shouldn't be done this way ( my opinion) as it rotates the diff housing increasing the prop shaft drive angle, the best way is it to get slotted swivel housings, as this leaves the drive angle and only affects the castor in which needs changing.

If you had these fitted remove them.

Gecko, had a 3inch lift fitted, he has 6 degree corrected radius arms and had the stock shaft, this caused vibs, he had a DC shaft made up and all fixed.

My county was running about 3 inch lift, 125mm to the bump stop on the front axle, the countys run wide angle uni joints this is what Psimpson7 was talking about.

Lowranger, I think he could be on to it here, my mates 130 puma had a loose rear diff pinion flange which relates to bearing preload, the mechanics at Land rover spares in Mackay said he had seen it before.

People need to get out more and use there cars if they can sit there and say they don't need lifting, get off the black top guys and use it the way they where ment to be, the Army 110 is higher than standard 110's for a reason.

I would not fit arb shocks as they do not offer any extra wheel travel, total waste of money in my opinion. Allen has a good idea with his shocks or the other option to look at is tjm long travel shocks, arb should be ashamed with there shocks. the arb 2 inch coil works out roughly to be the same as a 130 front by the way.

hope this helps

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Unfortunately I had the noise before they fitted the caster bushes. Fitting them worsened it by introducing vibration that would shake your teeth out. For some reason the Puma has a problem with lift. The ARB springs lifted my Puma a good inch or more than the 130 springs. Iv'e just found the invoice and part number of what was fitted:- OME 767. My vehicle, with all of my extras looked much taller than a standard Puma with no extras as, to my eye, is Povmans - refer to his photos in earlier posts.

Allan

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Originally Posted by Allan

Unfortunately I had the noise before they fitted the caster bushes. Fitting them worsened it by introducing vibration that would shake your teeth out. For some reason the Puma has a problem with lift. The ARB springs lifted my Puma a good inch or more than the 130 springs. Iv'e just found the invoice and part number of what was fitted:- OME 767. My vehicle, with all of my extras looked much taller than a standard Puma with no extras as, to my eye, is Povmans - refer to his photos in earlier posts.

Allan

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ok that is really bad.
with the springs I should have added that when Gecko pulled his old man emu 2 inch lift out we tried them into another mates puma 130 and it sat lower than on the standard coils, we got hold of some 4inch lifted rears from a range rover to fit in the front and they worked really well and had no vibs, the puma has some strange problems.

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Originally Posted by lambrover

ok that is really bad.
with the springs I should have added that when Gecko pulled his old man emu 2 inch lift out we tried them into another mates puma 130 and it sat lower than on the standard coils, we got hold of some 4inch lifted rears from a range rover to fit in the front and they worked really well and had no vibs, the puma has some strange problems.

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For sure, I've played with the wifes ninty TD5 and had no problems, but I have told the boss the only modification to the Puma front suspention is 130 springs or close and standard travel shocks to stop prop shaft bind. I play with the rear, air locker, dislocation cones ect.

Allan

Interestingly I was talking to Devon4x4 last night about a Double Cardon front prop shaft and the guy said before you order make sure you measure flange to flange as they have had a lot of small variants on the >2007 models and he said that a small error in length can make a big difference to the way the prop shaft will work????

Is it possible that the position of the transfer casse front output in relation to the front diff input is somehow different from one vehicle to another? I know it sounds stupid but we are still driving one of the few hand assembled cars left on the market :eek:

I am going to measure mine tonight and I will also make the measurements that Pete was asking for just so people with issue can compare their to a vehicle that is lifted with no issues.

Cheers,

OK guy's just woke Alison up from the couch dragged her outside to take notes whilst I crawled under the car out out on the street :)

With King Spring 2" lift springs , ARB Bullbar, Winch with plasma rope, Checker plate wings, Spot lights (2on bull bar, 6 above windscreen) Rock sliders, Full size second battery beside other battery. Standard tyres on. Plus lots of other heavy crap but most of the rest is towards the rear of the vehicle.
Height from front axle centre to underside of flare: 505mm
Ground to Centre of diff output flange: 430mm
Ground to Centre of transfer output flange: 535mm
Length of prop shaft flange to flange: 695mm

How about a few other take the same measurements to see what differences we get?:confused:

Cheers,

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Originally Posted by JohnR

Height from front axle centre to underside of flare: 505mm
Ground to Centre of diff output flange: 430mm
Ground to Centre of transfer output flange: 535mm
Length of prop shaft flange to flange: 695mm

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Nice work John + Alison!

I've just gone out and checked my TD5 for a comparison. I will double check them in daylight tommorow.

Height from front axle centre to underside of flare: 550mm
Ground to Centre of diff output flange: 470mm
Ground to Centre of transfer output flange: 590mm
Length of prop shaft flange to flange: 620mm

Rgds
Pete

Interesting the height change from diff to transfer case is greater for you and it's over a shorter distance ???
105mm height change over 695mm a 75mm longer prop shaft.
120mm height change over 620mm
Our ratio is 6.62:1 rise
Your ratio 5.16:1 rise

Also with Sway bars and shorter shockies than yours I am sure it will be going through way less travel than you to??

I think LR have another problem here. But if more people can do the measurements it would be great and may also help Povman with some data if he needs it later.....

Cheers,

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Originally Posted by dullbird

Great news povman...

As for where to get the double Cardon Xavier had one made here at the cost of $1000 but you can get them from various suppliers. Devon 4x4 do double Cardons for the puma greasable ones too, not sure of price but ian also saw them at billing for £350 but can't remember the name of the company.

Hope that helps!

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Ok, I'll ask :) what's a double cardon xavier? (sounds like a posh mixer drink to me). Also, I'm now thinking I'll stick with my trouble free (apart from normal wear and tear issues) standard form 300 TDi for as long as it goes. Whad'ya reckon?
cheers gerald
ps one thing povman, depsite seeing red and high stress levels you're still a funny man :)