Thread: HELP! Anyone raised a PUMA? Big TROUBLE!!!

Originally Posted by bazzle

After reading thru all this I am of the understanding it is not a fault of any aftermarket suspension lifts at all.
The issue is in the binding of the uni's causing transfer case bearing damage.
If ARB etc shocks are practically the same length as OE ones then nothing has changed where you can blame them.
If a vehicle has a slight bind on droop (failure waiting to happen) then as shock bushes wear, flex etc the issue will get worse down the track.
It looks more to me that there is a mismatch of components in the vehicles caused by poor design/assembly practices.
I would suggest ALL owners lift up the front of their vehicles, both wheels off the ground, and check for clearance/binding.
Any close ones WILL get issues later.

Bazzle

I also agree with you Bazzle,
But there are many Pumas out there with this problem and LR know this, but still get away with not providing a proven fix whilst still under warranty!!!!!
Has anyone really come up with a proven fix for these cars that are right on the edge of being OUT of spec at standard height?
I know a lot of people have gone down the path of fitting 130 springs, but should you really have to in a new car???? Especially at your own expense just to maintain warranty!!!
Food for thought anyway..

Povman.

Originally Posted by povman

I also agree with you Bazzle,
But there are many Pumas out there with this problem and LR know this, but still get away with not providing a proven fix whilst still under warranty!!!!!
Has anyone really come up with a proven fix for these cars that are right on the edge of being OUT of spec at standard height?
I know a lot of people have gone down the path of fitting 130 springs, but should you really have to in a new car???? Especially at your own expense just to maintain warranty!!!
Food for thought anyway..

Povman.

A wide angle uni or double cardan joint will be the 'fix'.

A DC joint halves the operating angle of the two universals used in it, the downside is there are two more failure points (the extra uni and the centring bearing) compared to a simple universal at the t/case end.

FWIW 110's were once sold (quite a few Tdi's) with the blue/red-yellow/white 225lb/in springs in Australia, it isn't a 130 only spring setup.
Having said that it's fairly normal to have to fit heavier/longer front springs when fitting a bullbar and winch in any vehicle.

land rover spring specifications

[QUOTE=rick130;1310174]A wide angle uni or double cardan joint will be the 'fix'.

Thats fine and I agree that this will fix the problem but, if anyone goes down this path, it WILL void their warranty in LR's eyes and that's what I'm hoping to prevent, other people rushing in and doing this fix without having the full facts at their disposal.
Once again I have only learnt all of this through my own unfortunate experience and through you guys, so I appreciate every bit of advice everyone has given and hope this thread has and will help people make the correct decision before raising their Pumas under warranty..

Cheers,

Povman.

I suggest that all the puma owners with issues go buy cheap bombs,park their land rovers on the forecourts of the local dealership on a saturday with signs in the windows indicating the issues...saturday being a good day due to potential customers should be enmass and they won't have enough staff to move them out the way .....It's outrageous that there appears to be a consistant issue and it can be overlooked as warranty heads south

I don't read every post on this forum but suggestions that there is a wide spread problem with the Puma universal joints is new to me (I also frequent the more global www.defender2.net forum). The only common thread I am aware of is that there is a problem associated with the uni joints and aftermarket suspension alterations. How many people have had uni problems with original suspension and how many people haven't had their problems resolved under warranty?

Cheers
KarlB

As I have said before.... if you want to maintain height with bar and winch etc. then get LR to fit the heavy duty springs and you will then be covered by warranty.



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Originally Posted by miky

As I have said before.... if you want to maintain height with bar and winch etc. then get LR to fit the heavy duty springs and you will then be covered by warranty.



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Yep, did that yesterday.. LR fitted 130 helper springs in the rear and were going to put 130's in the front but they are still waiting on 1 spring to arrive from the UK.
Povman.

P.s heading off on the big trip tomorrow morning.. Will post some pics with the old girl loaded up later..

Have a great trip Povman. Looking forward to seeing the photos.

Cheers
KarlB