Puma engine Problems

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14th October 2010, 06:16 PM
LR D4

What I am doing until the Puma is out of warranty is just draining the fuel filter every month, I always get a small amount of water with every drain, also just change the fuel filter every year or 20000kms which ever is first, cheap insurance..... Also my Puma has been faultless, awsome car....
14th October 2010, 06:24 PM
dullbird

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Originally Posted by Nera Donna

All this is very interesting. It’s a pity that the likes of ‘Dieseldog’ and I do believe ‘Dullbird’ (and probably others) had to find this out the hard and very expensive way that there seems to be an inherent floor in the Puma fuel system as far as water contamination is concerned.
My thoughts are, and something I will pursue before my beloved Puma falls victim to the same fate.

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Is the addition of an extra fuel filte

r with a heave sediment/water catchment bowl on the bottom, with possibly a fuel priming pump incorporated in the filter head. Right now I have no idea if any of this is possible let alone practical. But from my experience with engines I cant see why not. Any thoughts and or experiences with trying something similar?

Cheers
Craig

I was advised against this by an independent Land Rover mechanic...he said by putting an extra filter in the line you may possibly introduce resistance (probably not the right word) into the system. can prevent the fuel getting where it needs to go quickly enough.
14th October 2010, 06:30 PM
woko

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Originally Posted by pc3

All the makes seem to be having a few issues, maybe the tritons are the only ones that aren't, I never seem to see issues with them, but there butt ugly!!

Talking with one of the Cummins servicemen at work there triton has had 2 engines in under 5000km
14th October 2010, 07:07 PM
Blknight.aus

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Originally Posted by dullbird

I was advised against this by an independent Land Rover mechanic...he said by putting an extra filter in the line you may possibly introduce resistance to flow/restriction(probably not the right word) into the system. can prevent the fuel getting where it needs to go quickly enough.

near enough. technical correct speak in pretty blue.

the transit lift pump does not do well against excessive restriction to flow. I have heard of but not from a reliable source that you can fit a facet pump post filter pre lift pump to assist the lift pump if you add aditional filters or want an easy prime method. I suspect that that trick may only work properly with the oldschool transit engine but might be worth bringing up with your local service dept.
18th October 2010, 10:12 AM
Dieseldog

Puma engine problems update

The saga continues , it seems i have stirred up a hornets nest with my problems my ever "helpful" dealership has now cited five different possible reasons for this failure it seems we are going for the lets see what the customer will belive and pay for strategy of customer service. Landrover unassisit has been just as cooperavtive i have in my few short hours digging around on the internet discovered a problem that no-one associted with Landrover in Aus has ever heard of ( breather pipe problems) . WOW its like wining the lottery:( If anyone has an explanation for the next problem i would really love to know . How can a gerbox fail when the engine doesn't go ? ............ Ask My friendly local landrover delaership ( nothing underhand sir I promise :angel:) . Great 11000km engine knackered new gearbox required FFS what next ???
Anyone want to trade a good 300 TDI :)
Has anyone any idea how to contact anyone within landrover (other than the customer "help" centre) any number we try is pretty useless . We need to talk to some one actually in Landrover . Any help gratefully recieved.
Dieseldog
18th October 2010, 11:24 AM
edddo

I would be looking for an independent assessment of the vehicle along with some good legal advice. Get as much in writing from your dealer as to suspected causes and problems as possible. They should not argue with your request for a written chronology of events and assessments from their perspectve. Keep a diary of everything they say. Make it plain you are collecting evidence so that you can pursue your case to have the situation rectified. Start a formal grievance with your dealer and with Landrover. Mention you are seeking legal advice. They need to see that you are not going to wait around believing that they are looking after your interests - stir it up. In consultation with your solicitor decide if your insurance policy may be a viable way to deal with the situation?
18th October 2010, 12:31 PM
eksjay

Think outside the square...

Why don't you visit the workshop of your nearest Ford Dealership, particularly if they have a commercial fleet service dept....?

Ask people in the workshop about the Transit engine. After all, there would be far more Transit vans than Pumas on the road.

If you come up with nothing ... then it must be something between the engine and some other part that LR has bolted together when it was owned by Ford.

Find some Transit forum somewhere... bound to exist...

Good Luck, hope you find the answers that you seek.
18th October 2010, 06:06 PM
Blknight.aus

found it....

using the same filter that is the primary filter in a series diesel and a facet pump. If you want to be nice to the facet pump you install 2 filters one before the pump and one after. If you're not worried about the pump you only need one.

theres a couple of ways of hooking it up and here is how I would do it.

on the top of the filter housing there is 4 ports 2 ins and 2 outs.

take the normal fuel line that supplies the current filter and cut it in half one side goes into an in port on the fuel filter and the other the out. Cut the line between the new filter and the tank and install the pump.

From the other outlet port of the filter fit a restriction piece and then connect a return line from there back to the tank-filler breather with a 2 piece (the t piece is usually sufficient to act as a restriction piece.)

jobs done apart from wiring up the the electrics for the facet pump.
19th October 2010, 06:00 AM
LRO53

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Originally Posted by eksjay

I agree with Hoges - most CRD engine makers have the same kind of problems with their client base. Contaminated fuel = critical engine damage/replacement. I thought that one of the pluses that LR was touting on the new Puma/Transit engine is that it can better deal with fuel quality issues in 3rd world countries. Is Australia part of the third world? I find it hard to lay the blame at the feet of the fuel makers or their outlets.

Perhaps when Incredible India decides on the next engine for the next incarnation of the Deefer, they will get it right.

That marketing thing saying the Puma is for 3rd World is rubblish... The Td5 Fuel system had 3 micron filter and it was self priming! So you could run out in the middle of the desert.. I think we are just going backwards with this engine.

Fuel Filter Td5:http://www.lrdirect.com/esr4686g-ele...?click=srclick
(This was the only place i could find images. LR Direct are not cheap)
Fuel Filter Tdci: http://www.lrdirect.com/product.php?...&click=srclick
19th October 2010, 05:24 PM
Pedro_The_Swift

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Originally Posted by LRO53

. I think we are just going backwards with this engine.

now there's a surprise!
From a ground up clean sheet of paper, Land Rover Off Road engine--
To a cheap, readily available, alternative.

I'm dying to see what Tata put under the bonnet:eek::eek:

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