Thread: Puma engine Problems

Originally Posted by matthew2

PAL I feel for you ! I bought a Def big mistake ! Trading it in for a V8 Crusier some dealers don't even want to trade them in because of there crappy reputation .

good luck with V8 engine

V8 has a bad rep here in NZ
anything like like the coal mines here who had 5 new engines out of 20 within a year, foresty gangs with engines only lasting 60000km and stuffed, farmers with water in fuel in the V8 common rail $30000 bills and toyota refuses to say there is a problem with fuel filtering system which s..t. Know a guy that is selling extra fuel filter systems to put in the V8 to stop crap getting in the engine and stuffing the rail

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Toyota 200 Series VX LandCruiser - Disaster @ ExplorOz Blogs


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Mate of mine had one of the first 100 series. Major work done two head jobs. Engine rebuild and at the end a full wraped in plastic engine replacement.

The cruser had 6 months warranty to go when the "new" motor went in and Toyota refused to give him any further warranty on the motor.

Another mate had a brand new 80 series. Took it to stockton on a LR club day and the radiator boiled much to our delight.

It took three trips to toyota to fix the radiator. Eventually they found it was 60% blocked with metal filings from the factory.
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When Ford originally sold its Transit vans in Aus, there were a lot of unhappy commercial operators around that complained of unreliability.

I don't mean to go OT, but couldn't LR fit some other engine into the engine bay? I understand that emissions controls prolly put an end to the Td5.

A car that has been around throughout the ages shouldn't be let down this way, and neither should people who buy into it. LR has to understand that when someone spends $50K plus onroads that they are obliged to follow through with fixes.

Ultimately, I think what some thread posters have said about modern diesel engines is correct. The latest engines are no where near as reliable as those dirty bullet proof polluting jobs that used to be made in bygone eras.

Perhaps LR should then be thinking about to some kind petrol based solution for next gen Deefer? Australia is a BIG country, and you cannot afford any element of surprise out in the back of beyond, that is, if the Deefer been able to get to the end of the city freeway to begin with...

Now that Ford don't own LR they most probably will, what Indian motor would you like to see

As for this engine... Contaminated fuel is always going to be a problem for any common rail engine if it gets to the motor.
How did the contamination get to the engine? What was the contamination?

Earlier Puma's had water contamination - plenty of threads here as to why that happened. Now fixed.

Fuel filters an any car need to be checked, replaced etc. on a regular basis just like oil filter.

All of that said, until LRA provide a copy of the fuel report everyone is just guessing.

Originally Posted by eksjay

When Ford originally sold its Transit vans in Aus, there were a lot of unhappy commercial operators around that complained of unreliability.

I don't mean to go OT, but couldn't LR fit some other engine into the engine bay? I understand that emissions controls prolly put an end to the Td5.

A car that has been around throughout the ages shouldn't be let down this way, and neither should people who buy into it. LR has to understand that when someone spends $50K plus onroads that they are obliged to follow through with fixes.

Ultimately, I think what some thread posters have said about modern diesel engines is correct. The latest engines are no where near as reliable as those dirty bullet proof polluting jobs that used to be made in bygone eras.

Perhaps LR should then be thinking about to some kind petrol based solution for next gen Deefer? Australia is a BIG country, and you cannot afford any element of surprise out in the back of beyond, that is, if the Deefer been able to get to the end of the city freeway to begin with...

To be honest I have come across more people that have had dramas with most other bits not the engines...in fact the engine has been the most reliable bit.

As for Australia being a big country..only in terms of space you still only have about 22Mil people in it not enough to give you a specific want on a car I would of thought..and people in europe just dont want petrols they are expensive.

on the topic of CR diesel failure, the Golf TDI, MercML320, Jeep CRD, Peugeots, citroens...are they all having issues as well? ... so is it the CR diesel or perhaps something to do with quality control...after all, the servo selling to LR owners also sells to others...

it's well known from the top of Toyota -through their humble apologies and acknowledgment to the US congressional hearing - that they chased market share to the detriment of quality,,, further they (and Ford and GMH) have been demanding a 5% at least, reduction in cost in real terms, from their component suppliers year on year ...so what happens... Mercedes acknowledged couple of years ago similar issues with $200K+ chariots... heads rolled...

LR "coroprate" here do not necessarily share the love of the "LR DNA" evident in the forumites here... many are probably looking for the next career move elsewhere in the motor industry...it's just a business to them... sell cars one week, washing powder next week, etc

Toyota/Nissan/GMH/Ford dealers are no different...it's a business... don't get wrapped up in the spin doctors web...they borrow freely from true believers and do the minimum possible to maintain the good will...

So after that (I feel better) within certain parameters Ford could have chosen from multiple diesels for the Deefer as long as it was supplied at the right price... think local jobs, parts suppliers etc etc, low volume seller (by comparison)... we'll use a Transit van donk...next question please...

It's all to do with cutting cost, cost cost...and it's ruthless...and applies to them acting like insurance assessors when it comes to warranty work... to curb excesses is why the Govt has the Trade Practices Act and provisions to do with warranties, reasonable expectations as regards product performance... it's worth a read...may give you some ideas for Round 2!

Originally Posted by miky

As for this engine... Contaminated fuel is always going to be a problem for any common rail engine if it gets to the motor.
How did the contamination get to the engine? What was the contamination?

I agree with Miky and Lou on this and furthermore I sympathise with Dieseldog

On this thread (and some others) there is far too much condemnation of the entire vehicle range as a result of one unfortunate and extremely unusual occurrance (not withstanding some resistance from the dealer who is at the beck and call of LRA) the cause of which is still unknown. Dieseldog's request was simply if any other owners had experienced a similar issue.

No one has come forth with anything similar.

Yes we could demand the V6 petrol Discovery engine be put in instead. One Ford engine replaces another Ford engine. What about the ill fitting body panels, the rattling clutch, the vacuum pump, the rear diff, the rear pinion seal and I could go on.

But you know what I really don't appreciate are people who, Toyota-owner-like, propogate and spread tales of gloom about Land Rovers that might unjustly result in the depreciation of value of my reasonably good Defender. I will dismount the soap box now.

A friend of my FIL just bought a Terrican or whatever it's called and after 4 days of ownership it stopped and has $15,000 worth of fuel system damage caused by dirty fuel. Pat

Just a FWIW (and I'm one to bag Land Rover when i deem it necessary, some around here think I bag 'em too much....) but other engines are having 'issues' too.

A friend is a rep for a vet pharmaceuticals company and drives one of those diesel powered Holden soft roaders.

A few months back it started to play up and rattle so she dropped it into the dealer.
They rang back and said we need it for a few days, gave here a loaner and replaced the engine.

A week later one of the other reps from Victoria rang, said here car had to go in and guess what, same problem.

The best she could describe it for me was a rod/crank problem.
I think one of the other reps did another one too.