Longer front shock towers

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Originally Posted by modman

David
Yes bill I still have the 101 Diffs and arb gears, interesting to see the difference between newer d60 locker and sals ( arb style)

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Hi David, how's tricks? long time no see.
I might have told you all those years ago that I had an argument with ARB head office about them making the Sals difflock smaller than the D60, particularly as standard Sals have 4 pinion carriers and std 60s do not.

I asked if they would build me a D60 with the correct flange offset for 4.7 ratio ring and pinion and landrover splines in the side gear and they refused.
Yet they bend over backwards for the Yanks. Screw em.They're not the only show in town.
Wagoo.

You'd think it'd be good PR for them to do the odd special Bill, but I suppose money/markets are where it's at :(

Bring back the Roberts locker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Honestly cheaper to chase a better price in the states for arb lockers:mad:

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Originally Posted by modman

Bring back the Roberts locker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Honestly cheaper to chase a better price in the states for arb lockers:mad:

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But the ARB is basically the Roberts locker, supposedly refined over the years for mass production and to reduce production costs.
Anyway back to suspension. David, when you talk about skinny radius arms, are you suggesting that the actual arms will flex more in their vertical plain to compensate for lack of compliance in the axle end bushings? Or just that the axle end bushings can articulate further in the wider axle mounting brackets?
wagoo.

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Originally Posted by modman

The trick is to use skinny radius arms, holey bushes later front housing with conical spacers to suit early arms.
You can also reverse the front dome washers on the radius arms
Then of course you need longer brake lines, rubber panhard bushes
Following nicely would be cranked arms, dc shaft, offset wheels

David
Yes bill I still have the 101 Diffs and arb gears, interesting to see the difference between newer d60 locker and sals ( arb style)

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David

I am interested in the use of "conical spacers".I am guessing the "top" of the cone section would face the bush either side of the arm,to allow the bush to be supported at its centre and then flex around the cone,while still having a large surface area of support on the mounting brackets.Please correct me if I am on the wrong track?

Wayne

Imagine jmac bought the rites all those years ago for that locker
Yes bill the skinnier holey bushes flex slightly more than the thicker counterpart BUT they flex with less force( not sure right word'maybe resistance)
I see it that you can run a lighter spring and still get good compression and extension cross articulating a rover
After watching what the RA's do during articulation the skinny arms can also misalign more in a later housing. Not getting into the actual material twist that may occur
I am continually surprised by the strength of rover arms compared to Nissan/ Toyota
I look at many roll overs, all makes and the rover arms seem to hold their integrity often ripping mounts off
I'm blown away by your lower front arms:eek:

Sorry Wayne,
Yes often called misalignment spacers
Spot on with your description
David

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Originally Posted by modman

I am continually surprised by the strength of rover arms compared to Nissan/ Toyota
I look at many roll overs, all makes and the rover arms seem to hold their integrity often ripping mounts off
I'm blown away by your lower front arms:eek:

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I don't use those lower arms anymore.I bent the U" shape into the side of them to clear the inner front dual wheels at full lock, but since going to portals the duals don't fit anymore, and the single Q78 tyres clear easily with the extra trackwidth.
But as I've said on another thread, Rover Radius arms are forged steel and you could literally tie knots in them without any cracking. Nissan radius arms will shatter even if you try to crank them a couple of degrees for castor correction.
Wagoo.

Edit. the skinny radius arms have a smaller diameter pin at the chassis end, and the bushings have a smaller diameter spigot, so either the plain end of the pin will need to be sleeved up to use the later bushings, or the hole in the chassis bracket needs to be sleeved down to use the earlier bushings.

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Originally Posted by rick130

You'd think it'd be good PR for them to do the odd special Bill, but I suppose money/markets are where it's at :(

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they wouldn't really need to be specials Rick.The most common offset Sals difflock carrier they are likely to sell is the 3.54:1, which is the same offset as 3.54, 4.1 and 4.56 D60s. They could just put 24 spline sidegears in their D60 lockers and smaller crownwheel bolt holes . A crownwheel spacer for the 4.7 and 101 5.58 ratio and it's done.
Wagoo.