Best Engine Oil For Puma

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9th July 2013, 05:15 AM
rick130

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Originally Posted by Partick the Cat

Greetings

If a visiting non-LR owner may make a contribution ...

I have 2008 Jaguar with the 2.7L diesel engine and SpudFan's post above seems to be a bit more up-to-date than we have in the Jag fraternity.

Here the 2.7L Tdvi (various models up to 2009) is still seems to be recommended to use M2C 913-B (eg Magnatec 5W30 A1) whereas for the 3L Diesel (new models 2009 onwards - it replaced the 2.7) 934-B is recommended (eg Castrol EDGE C1 5W-30)

Why when both engines are fitted with DPFs is beyond me.
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Cheers just now ...

Dave in Gloucestershire UK

Dave, the low SAPS oils are definitely needed for the DPF, (generally sulphated ash <800PPM) and the SAPS levels in car diesels with DPF are far below what is considered low SAPS in heavy duty diesels too, where low SAPS is 1000PPM or below

Just going through this with a PSA Hdi diesel engine which you'd think would be similar/same as the Ford, but no, PSA have different specs again (sulphated ash <690PPM, HTHS >2.9) and so far I've only been able to find Total and Motul easily.

It's a PITA as I have a perfectly good ACEA E4/E6/E9 low SAPS HD diesel oil here in bulk but its <1000PPM SA and the HTHS is a nice, robust 4...... :(
9th July 2013, 05:57 AM
spudfan

If you look at these oil specs, if your 2.2 Puma does NOT have a DPF fitted you can use the oil used in the 2.4.
This brand probably is not available in your country but the specs will be of use.
The oil for the 2.2 NON DPF and the 2.4 meetFord C/D spec. The "D" spec is new to me.
Spec sheet for oil for Puma 2.2 with DPF
http://www.championlubes.com/TDS/tds_65605...018_lr.pdf
Spec sheet for oil for Puma 2.2 without DPF
http://www.championlubes.com/TDS/tds_65609...158_lr.pdf
Spec sheet for oil for Puma 2.4
http://www.championlubes.com/TDS/tds_65609...158_lr.pdf
Seems that if you live in a country where your new 2.2 Puma does not have a DPF fitted you can use the oil used for the 2.4.
Might be of use to someone.

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9th July 2013, 06:09 AM
spudfan

Oil specs for 2.2 with DPF and 2.2 with NO DPF.
Defender2 - View topic - Oil specs for 2.2 and 2.2 non DPF
Tried to put up direct links but they would not work but you can get them on the above Defender2 link.
9th July 2013, 10:27 AM
n plus one

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Originally Posted by spudfan

If you look at these oil specs, if your 2.2 Puma does NOT have a DPF fitted you can use the oil used in the 2.4.
This brand probably is not available in your country but the specs will be of use.
The oil for the 2.2 NON DPF and the 2.4 meetFord C/D spec. The "D" spec is new to me.
Spec sheet for oil for Puma 2.2 with DPF
http://www.championlubes.com/TDS/tds_65605...018_lr.pdf
Spec sheet for oil for Puma 2.2 without DPF
http://www.championlubes.com/TDS/tds_65609...158_lr.pdf
Spec sheet for oil for Puma 2.4
http://www.championlubes.com/TDS/tds_65609...158_lr.pdf
Seems that if you live in a country where your new 2.2 Puma does not have a DPF fitted you can use the oil used for the 2.4.
Might be of use to someone.

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Links no worky? :confused:
9th July 2013, 07:12 PM
spudfan

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Originally Posted by n plus one

Links no worky? :confused:

Yes sorry about that, but you can access them via my second post and get them via a link on Defender2.net. Just click on the link on the second post here
Defender2 - View topic - Oil specs for 2.2 and 2.2 non DPF
14th August 2013, 10:29 AM
ATH

I've just got a price from Supacrap for this Edge Professional A5 5W-30 at $524.50 per drum and you've got to buy 2 of them at a time!!!!!
This works out at around 174 bucks per service if doing it at 10K which I have been doing.
What are others paying around Oz for this stuff.
Cheers.
Alan.
15th August 2013, 11:49 AM
ATH

Got another price from Supacrap for Magnatec Professional A5 $345 per 20 ltrs.
That sounded better so I went to order it this morning ......half an hour later I walk out as they keep putting me to the back of the queue/answering the phone or talking to each other as I'm obviously not worth bothering about for a lousy 690 bucks.
Castrol gave me several names as dealers to try so off I went before trying Supacrap. Covs (Coventry) just laughed and said they'd order it but I'd have to wait until they had orders for 6 drums so it could take a year or so.
Repco couldn't be bothered at all...."just get something off the shelf, not worth us ordering it".
When at Supacrap they phoned Castrol and the price to them was 176 dollars!!!!!!
Cost to the public $345 so not a bad mark up at nearly 100%.
I can't be bothered with this any more, it's just a sodding Ford engine so why is it so hard to buy the right oil for it?
Gonna be another poxy Puma on carsales.com soon....
AlanH.
15th August 2013, 11:59 AM
isuzurover

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Originally Posted by rick130

Dave, the low SAPS oils are definitely needed for the DPF, (generally sulphated ash <800PPM) and the SAPS levels in car diesels with DPF are far below what is considered low SAPS in heavy duty diesels too, where low SAPS is 1000PPM or below

...

It's a PITA as I have a perfectly good ACEA E4/E6/E9 low SAPS HD diesel oil here in bulk but its <1000PPM SA and the HTHS is a nice, robust 4...... :(

I assume it is because (a) the sulphur promotes particulate formation and (b) it poisons the catalyst used in the DPF.

Diesel soot on its own won't burn in air until ~550oC - which is above the EGT immediately post turbo that these engines should be running!
DPFs have catalysts which reduce the temperature to ~300-350oC. Poison the catalyst and your soot won't burn off the DPF unless you are running crazy EGTs...
15th August 2013, 01:27 PM
rick130

Quote:

Originally Posted by isuzurover

I assume it is because (a) the sulphur promotes particulate formation and (b) it poisons the catalyst used in the DPF.

Diesel soot on its own won't burn in air until ~550oC - which is above the EGT immediately post turbo that these engines should be running!
DPFs have catalysts which reduce the temperature to ~300-350oC. Poison the catalyst and your soot won't burn off the DPF unless you are running crazy EGTs...

Bit the heavy duty diesels also use a DPF, it's obviously much, much larger.
The car oils are often also often friction modified, I know the PSA one is.
What I can't quite work out are the very different oil specs between the Ford and PSA versions of the same engine though.
15th August 2013, 02:11 PM
isuzurover

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick130

Bit the heavy duty diesels also use a DPF, it's obviously much, much larger.
The car oils are often also often friction modified, I know the PSA one is.
What I can't quite work out are the very different oil specs between the Ford and PSA versions of the same engine though.

In Australia HD diesel regs are several years behind LV regs. Also, HVs have a lot more space to fit a DPF, and tend to have open (channel/wall) collectors.

Are you sure the <1000ppm oil is in engines with a DPF? Another factor is the HVs are much less likely to be doing short stop-start runs.

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