Is there any 'intelligence' (like a chip) in a PUMA key? Won't start with Spare Key.

Hi all, I think the answer to this thread and Brid's thread "Puma Owners: Non Start Issues" lies in the owners manual on pages 6 and 7. My one month old 110 will not lock or unlock with the second remote and I think I'll have to carry out the Emergency Key Access (EKA) procedure. Brid's initial thread appears to be exactly like a flat battery in the remote and this too has a specific procedure which has to be done whilst sitting in the vehicle and within 5 minutes of commencing or you have to carry out an EKA.
Hope this helps.....let me know how it goes.
David.

Hi David - I am off to see Land Rover tomorrow to try and get it sorted before we leave.

I've checked all under the bonnet and can't see another remote control (plip thing), so looks like I've been dudded on that one.

Will be interested to see how much they'll slug me for a replacement :eek:

Cheers
David

It is very odd, some have had the start problem only in B.P. service stations, pushed the vehicle out and restart. This happened to mine but no push, full load and boat, old man!!!! The B.P. pump electrics sighted as a cause. It does usually reset as dullbird has posted but I would have it checked. I thought about having it switched out of the system and using an aftermarket set up, just in case but the problem has gone away.

Allan

I have had a plain metal key cut for my Puma a few months ago, which I use every day (the key cutter used a Nissan blank) - so there is nothing under the plastic cover.
Before I go anywhere remote I tend to disable the immobiliser and turn off the alarm using the Nanocom.
Never had any issues so far and don't have to worry about getting the FOB wet or similar.

Frank

Frank - I have a Nanocom for my TD5 (one of the original 'old style' Nanocoms). Any chance it will plug into a PUMA, or is this only for the updated 'Windows style/graphical' Nanocom?

Be good if I could switch off the immobiliser for the trip and then turn it on again when we get back.

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Originally Posted by dullbird

with our normal set of keys if the car is left unlocked for a period of time and then we hop in to start it the car will immoblise itself, you can not start it.

while in the car you lock the door with the fob and wait a second or two and then unlock put the key in and it fires first time.

I dont think its a fault I think its meant to do it. there was a service tip out on it sometime ago... we found this out when we had our immobliser issues.

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That's odd. We often leave our Defender unlocked overnight (very low crime area) but I have never had it immoblise on me the next morning. We also use both our keys (and fobs) and never had issues with one working then not the other - again even after getting into the already unlocked vahicle.

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Originally Posted by spudboy

Frank - I have a Nanocom for my TD5 (one of the original 'old style' Nanocoms). Any chance it will plug into a PUMA, or is this only for the updated 'Windows style/graphical' Nanocom?

Be good if I could switch off the immobiliser for the trip and then turn it on again when we get back.

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spudboy, I am guessing now; but the TD5 and the Puma both use the AS10 immobiliser, so it should work.

Had a good result with Solitaire (the Adelaide dealer) :eek:

They said it must have been missed on pre-delivery, and even though the car is 2 years out of warranty, they will sort it out no charge :p Pretty happy with that.

So, new plip on its way. Just have to take the car back to get it all coded when the part arrives.

Edit: They also gave me the EKA code to disable the immobiliser in case we lose the main keys while we are away. Bit of a pffaf to enter it, with ignition switching and door opening, but might be useful in an emergency.

Just for future reference,

Puma ignition barrel is installed with a transponder ring, this is wired to the imobiliser. Key does not have a chip installed in the plastic casing. This maybe a market requirement, possibly other countries have this component of the imobiliser activated?

Cheers, Tristan

From my understanding, when the transponder receives power, it pulses and tells the remote to send a code (rf) to the anti-theft module which if matching then sends a signal to the instrument cluster. The instrument then tells the injectors and starter system to activate via ECM.

If the remote handset is out of range (or has a flat battery or is interfered with by a BP service station)then no signal is sent. Use EKA (Emergency Key Access) code to disable immobiliser and no pushing required. If you are in a BP service station and someone is waiting for the pump, then you might get honked and abused as a &^%&ing Land Rover driver whilst you open and close the door counting on your fingers.

No electronics in the key, only the fob (fobs if your dealer remembered to give you two)

Also, immobilizer should not arm if key is still in the ignition however when you take it out it should arm 30 seconds after you open the drivers door or after 5 minutes if the drivers door isn't opened. Mine didn't always follow this rule however, occasionally it must have forgotten I had left the key in the ignition and armed itself anyway.