better add land rover to that list to i guessQuote:
Originally Posted by skuilnaam
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better add land rover to that list to i guessQuote:
Originally Posted by skuilnaam
Er . . . that was me trying to be sarcastic. Government agencies, aboriginal corporations, TAFEs, stations, farms, most of them buy Toyotas and Nissans by the shipload. That's them buying Toyotas and Nissans, not Land Rovers. So, you know, that's money Land Rover doesn't make. For reasons I've never fathomed.Quote:
Originally Posted by weeds
It's more a case of LR wanting a product that appeals to people who will actually buy their products rather than to those who are driving 10-20 year old cars and spend their time on forums whining about changes to a product they are unlikely to buy in the foreseeable future. :wasntme:Quote:
Originally Posted by Slunnie
Good post that one,all new LR's are crap anyway so who cares?. Pat
Amazingly, when we look at all we need it often varies greatly from what we want or perceive we need.
Those who whack on about the workhorse toughness of a Defender...
So many people who have them never actually use that much of their capability.
Or the Mechano set BS - Yeah.. Righto... I pull mine apart all the time... :p
Its like needing a 3500kg 'Griswold Family Road blocker' or key-less entry because my poor finger cant press a freakin button!
A good current example:
Theres a few forum members doing 'The Cape' at the moment...
One party has a TDCi Defender, another Party a D4... Unsure of the rest..
Both are enjoying themselves immensely, and both are driving exactly the same tracks!!!!! The toughness of the D4 and the little TDCi seems sound... But the D4 will be a lot less dusty inside ;)
So WHAT if this concept vehicle is made of moulded parts... The thin tin plate and aluminium pressed parts of an older version dont make the vehicle any stronger than a composite based vehicle.
NOW.. It is fine if YOU dont like the concepts shape etc... IF or WHEN it becomes a reality then its easy - Just don't purchase one... :)
Me - I currently have a D4, but I've had all the others....
I didnt need all the features my base model TDV6 has but they are nice.
What I did need, was a reliable, safe vehicle for my family with 4wd capability. I like LR and this vehicle fit the bill nicely. I really do love it.
And whilst I'm a LR fan through and through, I don't wear blinkers or fear technology.. I've embraced the technology and learned how to handle it (as well as mechanical failure) - the only difference between 20 years ago and now is my toolbox contains Diagnostic gear!
This whole "Anti Modern Anything" rubbish just wears thin!
If we weren't an overly ridiculous Capitalist, Consumerist society then we wouldn't need so much material stuff..
We wouldn't feel the need (actually a WANT) to continually have the latest consumer wallet emptier.
But modern society want fancy new gadgets, which drives innovation, which LR is at the forefront of in many cases...
So until we as consumers DEMAND rebuild-able, serviceable, reliable products... (But we don't.... We buy cheap disposable stuff...)
And just enjoy what we have, not keep WANTING the latest and greatest...
The you will see these changes and concepts keep coming...
:p:D:):o:D:cool:
Well said, but not so much of the "we ", kemo Sabe. Not everyone can afford the servicing costs for the modern vehicle. A lot of people need a vehicle they can service themselves, without forking out too much on diagnostic tools, and without the need to be an electronics whiz.I must mix in different circles to you, most of my mates don't want the latest & greatest, or cheap disposable stuff, but I guess we come from a generation when machines were rebuildable, servicable & reliable. I for one am not interested in a show pony , give me a work horse any day. BobQuote:
Originally Posted by skuilnaam;171350
But modern society want fancy new gadgets, which drives innovation, which LR is at the forefront of in many cases...
So until we as consumers DEMAND rebuild-able, serviceable, reliable products... ([B
It wasn't that many years ago that the Discovery 2 was considered an unmaintanable show pony. You seem to be doing ok with yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by bob10
D2 a showpony? never! I thought only the toyota set spread that rumour. :angel: Have to admit, it is at the edge of my capability, only this forum & the RAVE DVD give me the confidence to work on it. How many D3 & D4 owners do all their own servicing? [ I'll probably be sorry I asked that] Good luck on changing the timing belts on A D3 TDV6 [ I believe the body has to be lifted for the front one]. I know if I have to get rid of the D2, a 300 TDI defender will do me.[ or better still, an Isuzu powered one] BobQuote:
Originally Posted by OffTrack
Bob... Similar circles mate.... No different to when I was back in the Pus!Quote:
Originally Posted by bob10
My comfort with electronics is more a product of being a Birdie Rate... (ATC/ATWL) than anything :cool:
With a comment like that... You must be a Stoker :);):pQuote:
Originally Posted by bob10