35s no lift

Rims are 16x8 negative 25 offset .

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Originally Posted by wmd

30mm spacers will only lift the ride hight . It's rubbing when it's on the bump stops.

It's a tray back so it only rubs on the front .
The raids were sold as a stock replacement and I only checked for the closed length befor installing them as bottoming out is what damages shocks.
They must have a bit more extended length to let one wheel drop more and the opposite wheel tuck in the guard on a steeper angle and hit the inner guard .

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If you have the tray at the standard height ,then it is quite easy to have 35's rub on the rear also.

"Bottoming out" is not all that causes damage to shocks,they are also easily damaged by "Topping out"

Unless the Raids are shorter on compression than the standard shocks,which I doubt,I would suggest that you haven't actually checked the suspension under "Full" compression with the standard shocks prior to changing them.The Raids may also be slightly longer on extension.

Low ranger
I checked the shocks out of the ute beside the stock ones ( if they were factory or not I don't no I bought the ute with 190000on the clock shocks were black with no stickers ) and they were the same compressed size .
but the raids do have a 20mm internal bump stop witch I doubt I would have compressed by hand.
Even if they are shorter , it's the bump stop that controls the max compression unless the shock is too long and bottoms out first , this is not happening
More extension of the shocks will cause the problem I am having by letting the diff rotate more in a sideways many ,rolling around into the guard.


The tray is custom so no problems there but the rear springs do dislocate now with the new shocks .

This thread is not about the shocks it's about the inner guards .
Do you run 35s ??? How I would like to no??

Cheers WMD

I would try avoid cutting,it would be my last option,I have put 35 simex on my 130 and don't have any inner guard rubbing,it's got ome shocks that come with it so I don't know my setup but think its had a 2 inch lift

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Originally Posted by mickashay

I would try avoid cutting,it would be my last option,I have put 35 simex on my 130 and don't have any inner guard rubbing,it's got ome shocks that come with it so I don't know my setup but think its had a 2 inch lift

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Do you have extended bump stops ?

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Originally Posted by wmd

Low ranger
I checked the shocks out of the ute beside the stock ones ( if they were factory or not I don't no I bought the ute with 190000on the clock shocks were black with no stickers ) and they were the same compressed size .
but the raids do have a 20mm internal bump stop witch I doubt I would have compressed by hand.
Even if they are shorter , it's the bump stop that controls the max compression unless the shock is too long and bottoms out first , this is not happening
More extension of the shocks will cause the problem I am having by letting the diff rotate more in a sideways many ,rolling around into the guard.


The tray is custom so no problems there but the rear springs do dislocate now with the new shocks .

This thread is not about the shocks it's about the inner guards .
Do you run 35s ??? How I would like to no??

Cheers WMD

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I can tell you that Low Ranger runs 35's and he has one of the best articulating trucks on this site so it is worthwhile listening to his advice as he knows what he is talking about.

I think what he is trying to say is that if you have your suspension set up correctly you shouldn't need to cut anything with 35's and I would suggest that if you need to cut something with 35's then your suspension isn't set up correctly and your not getting the best out of your truck.

just to confirm that you are running 35's on stock spring height?

Chook73

Yep stock spring hight
i have about 85 mm between bump stop and pad. On the front.

I am keen to hear low rangers set up. Sounds good.

Cheers WMD

Spring hight only changes your ride hight.
You bump stops and shocks determined were your wheel stops through out its movement range .
Its not the amount of spring lift that stops the rubbing under flex or compresion when you lift a 4x4 is the extended bumb stops to match the lift ..
With out matching bump stops to your lift ,
your wheel will stop in the same place as stock letting the tire rub or the coils bind or the shock bottom out .

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Originally Posted by wmd

Spring hight only changes your ride hight.
You bump stops and shocks determined were your wheel stops through out its movement range .
Its not the amount of spring lift that stops the rubbing under flex or compresion when you lift a 4x4 is the extended bumb stops to match the lift ..
With out matching bump stops to your lift ,
your wheel will stop in the same place as stock letting the tire rub or the coils bind or the shock bottom out .

Maybe a different offset wheel is needed . ???

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I agree with you on the bump stop stopping the compression however what I am wondering is that if you are running 35's on standard suspension surely you are not getting a lot of advantages apart from 1" extra diff clearance and I would have thought that would be at a trade off of 1" of travel in each direction.......

Cutting the guard or adding spacers is not addressing the actual problem it is just treating the symptom.

I am no suspension expert however :imwithstupid:

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Originally Posted by wmd

Low ranger
I checked the shocks out of the ute beside the stock ones ( if they were factory or not I don't no I bought the ute with 190000on the clock shocks were black with no stickers ) and they were the same compressed size .
but the raids do have a 20mm internal bump stop witch I doubt I would have compressed by hand.
Even if they are shorter , it's the bump stop that controls the max compression unless the shock is too long and bottoms out first , this is not happening
More extension of the shocks will cause the problem I am having by letting the diff rotate more in a sideways many ,rolling around into the guard.


The tray is custom so no problems there but the rear springs do dislocate now with the new shocks .

This thread is not about the shocks it's about the inner guards .
Do you run 35s ??? How I would like to no??

Cheers WMD

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As it has been pointed out at the end of my "Quoted" posts,that this is about inner guards,so I will limit my response to this subject and not about what is required to avoid this;)
You will not get 35's to fit a Defender with standard suspension,without modifying the front.You can easily cut the inner guards if you so desire,as they are easily cut.But be warned,there are more problems associated with this than you may have envisaged.This will on alleviate one point of contact,if the tyres you have are genuine 35" then you will have other points of contact as the suspension is cycled through its full cycle.But that is digressing from the "Original" question that was asked.
Good Luck;)