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I ran a hydraulic on my D1.
Could celebrate a birthday during a winch recovery!
Even with dedicated pump they are tedious at best.
And when I needed it (bogged in mud and water up the doors) then engine wouldn't run!
And yes, you can winch for at least the length of a river crossing or mud hole on electric - been there, done that, plenty of times...
Im guessing yours was driven from the Powersteering pump? Was your D1 a V8?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
Your third comment is absolute BS! My stock Mile Marker with dedicated pto pump will out pull any stock electric winch. Im not talking line load as we know thats a different subject, (my 9000lb is not going to out pull a 15000ib winch is it) but line speed under load. Yes Im using my Mile Marker in the lower of the 2 speeds. It will beat a Warn hi-mount hands down (warns fastest electric winch) There are many different types of winch gearboxes and ratios, along with hyd pumps and motors driving them. So for even a given l/m pump output you can not make a broad statement about hyd winches being slow....surely you have seen atleast one you tube video of a hyd winch pulling speed.
Yes you can do "x" amount of pull without the engine running using an electric winch, but how much depends on the condition of your battery and your elec set up(not to mention load on winch ie how bogged you are). If these arent high quality and in top notch condition, forget about doing more than 1 length of cable (30m max)..."been there done that" to quote you.
For me running a diesel I figure if my engine is dead, Im in all sorts of trouble already.
I'll second that 'uninformed'.. The hydraulic winch we had under the rear of the 110 was the fastest thing I've ever used... We ran a big Dowty pump on the back of the transfer case.. First gear and Tfer in Neutral, and once the bulk of the hard work was done, up to third gear and stand back! Wish I had a vid, as it used to make people look twice!! Bigger PTO pump Tombie and yours should be a lot quicker!
Mine was PTO driven.
Still wasn't impressed enough to say it was worth hassle, cost or benefit.
I'm not in a comp truck after all.
Whilst a few comp trucks have gone hydraulic not a lot have.
I don't even have one on mine at the moment :)
Just for the record - of the 2 recoveries of my vehicle(s) I've ever had to make using my winch.
On neither occasion was the engine running.
Had to shut down both times to avoid spraying crap all over the electrics.
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Originally Posted by Tombie
Can you tell me what brand/type of hyd winch, what pump were you using?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
Id really like to know and then to what elec winch you are comparing it to to call "Hyd winches tediuos at best"...I hope not a twin motor, as after all these arent comp trucks.
Btw, If I hadnt gone Hyd, I would have gone PTO. Had one on an old series and loved it also. Im not saying Hyd the best and elec crap, no way. Its horses for coarses....but some of your statements lack fact, to which didnt you once leave the site because of all the BS that some people were posting as fact :confused:
Was it a V8 Petrol? are you talking about water/mud in the engine bay being sprayed around by the fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
With my old RRC, I did a small creek crossing (had done a few before in that day) and it died. I winched out of the creek to which my dual batteries now dead. I can tell you, I was inexperienced, hadnt preped the engine properly, wasnt aware of my so so battery conditions etc. So more so me than the vehicle, but it did point out some weeknesses. Since I now have a mechanical diesel, I figure Im FUBAR if my engine dies mid water crossing :D
Lot of miles since then. If I'm lucky there's a note of it in boxes in the workshop.
It was a Cross Pump running a milemarker winch.
So lets instead put some facts out there for the layman having a read...
Electric winch - requires winch and cabling.
Hydraulic - requires winch, cabling, hydraulic plumbing (base install using PS pump)
Proper functioning Hyd =
+ $500 pump
+ reservoir
+ PTO adapter
+ custom hyd lines.
For a device that most will only use a few times in the life of a vehicle...
And yea most won't plumb up a PTO drive, so yes... Slow as heck when done the original way.
And comparing $$$ the Hyd will cost more than a Warn of equiv pull rating.
However hydraulic is lower maint.
Sealed much better
No heat buildup issues with sufficient tank capacity
On "base" installations can't steer and winch
2 speed gearbox
Your install would compare with a comp spec, dual motor electric for cost etc...
I should have been more specific :)
Alas, another thread today that I should have just ignored ;)
I am so glad you feel the need to try so hard to second guess me. I eagerly await the next onslaught.
Well...
Thanks for the discussion above, however, l am not in any way looking to go hydr. This vehicle had hydr (to PS pump) and was SLOW AS A WET WEEK IN GIPPSLAND.
Not interested. I would use a winch 4 times a year. 2 of them up bush. 2 of them pulling stuff around the farm! I just want the job done. Quick. Reliably etc etc. Hence looking at WARN.
Mike
Thanks tombie
Now for some corrections. If you want to winch with the engine off and be able to restart, you need a good hd second battery and appropriate dual battery system so add that to the costs.
Comparing pull ratings I agree, a 9000lb winch is a 9000lb winch and you can get electric cheapies these days. They won't have the duty cycle of a better elec or hyd but are cheaper.
You didn't need to be more specific, you were just wrong on your speed comment. It was quite specific ;)