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51 Monday - Mate I can't speak for quality or reliability but you either get it or you don't.. let me explain to me, my Landy is like my dog, if my dog gets sick I still love it and don't give it away, if my lady breaks down (and the one I owned 10 years ago did ONCE) I sill loved it and fixed it - You don't sell it!
Take the approach a Landy is for life not Xmass
thanks folks
well that's where i'm going wrong you see - I am comparing a defender to my late model hilux. and the Toyota always seems so damn sensible when I get back into it.
I love the noise of the landy, the way it rides (reminds me a bit of the 1972 combi I once had). I love the way it looks. I just don't wanna drop $50k into a hole. There is so much sense and nonsense online one can't make head nor tail of what's right. I am shocked by all the stories of clutches/rear diffs, TCs, gearboxes, electrics, finishing the last 10% of the car blah blha bbjbjfas. I do like the motor, I wish LR just built the body/ driveshaft with a bit more care.
I'm just nervous. I don't even know what i'm asking anymore.
I like what you're saying LouisW - but how much did you pay for your dog? ;)
I recon the sensible thing to do is probably just man-up and sign-up...and see what happens.
If you are the type of person to regret decisions and beat yourself up over it. I wouldnt buy a new Defender IMO. You have to accept what your getting yourself into basically which seems ridiculous since you are dropping alot of money into the truck. All the stuff you read here isn't nonsense, it's peoples experiences and you will see some have good and some bad. I personally dont believe Toyota have just as many problems as Landrovers, as Toyota does outsell them quite a bit. You can't compare the two vehicles anyway, but if you want and easy 4wd then the toyota would be the pick. I loved my Defender despite the grief and miss it to bitsQuote:
Originally Posted by 51mondays
I paid far to much for the Dog my wife wanted it ,it is a pedigree it's dumb yet I love it. Not meaning to sound like a tool or dick head I bought a RRS for my wife and then saw a Landy in the show room and it all came back to me 1982 and 2001. Like meeting a old girlfriend you still have a crush on. Frankly if a new landy cost $100k I would still buy one so will most people on this site. They will moan like hell but still they will find a way to buy it. It not about the money or reliability it's about it history, it's ability and loveQuote:
Originally Posted by 51mondays
Hey there 51 Monday's, one phenomena of this site is that there is a huge amount about how to fix stuff, so naturally all the problems that need fixing are discussed in detail. The predominance of what looks like bad news stories actually belies the truth about Defenders...they are infact the most robust vehicles on the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by 51mondays
I've spent many years throughout northern Australia in my Defender. Can't remember how many major road trips North South and west. My Defender only let me down once, a seized alternator in port augusta. But I heard it going and should have changed it earlier. My Defender has outlasted many a Toyota. Many of which in arduous conditions broke diffs, gearboxes, and cracked chassis / bodies! Ive also driven landcruisrs for years for work and I much prefer to be in my defender, not least because the seating position is upright and firm. SO much better on long trips! I could go on all night about the virtues of the Defender...
Man up, buy a Defender and enjoy the quizzical, distainful looks from the Toyota sheep, safe in the knowledge you are driving the most capable, robust, and iconic vehicle that exists. If you service it properly, including preventative maintenance, it will last you over 20 years. Enjoy!
Don't buy one is my pick.The Tdi had timing belt issue's and spline wear from new,the Td5 had oil pump bolt,plastic dowls,injector loom issue's,the TDCi has adapter shaft wear and clutch,all known and all got fix's,thats part of vehicle ownership,all vehicle ownership. Pat
So what you're saying is don't buy one, I should buy all three!Quote:
Originally Posted by PAT303
....I'll work up to it. I have a series 2a, which is a start.
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Originally Posted by LouisW
wow really you must be loaded
...so how does it feel driving your sensible late model hilux? You're obviously not hooked?
[QUOTE=jackdef90;2316941]wow really you must be loaded[/QUOTE
Loaded or not that's not relevant the point is people don't buy them purely on price point. The history; tradition and love for the defender is what attracts many (not all but many maybe most ). I sold my jaguare XF to buy this so it happens to be a saving but that was not my motivation. Also it is clasless the queen drives one, royalty, many millionaires, and ordinary people like, you(presumption you an ordinary guy) and I