Thread: Defender Puma 2.2 - voice your issues

Originally Posted by tact

Probably it's great. However I couldn't see any mention of compliance with the requisite ford standards in the product data sheet. For that product.

...there are none in the Defender Puma owners handbook either, so does it really matter?

How are we as consumers supposed to know, when all the dealers seem to use differing Castrol products and the service manual that comes with the vehicle isn't so specific?

Begs the question, what are the Land Rover standards for Puma engine oils? Who in the general public knows to look up Ford standards! for a Land Rover anyway?

Originally Posted by MrLandy

...there are none in the Defender Puma owners handbook either, so does it really matter?

How are we as consumers supposed to know, when all the dealers seem to use differing Castrol products and the service manual that comes with the vehicle isn't so specific?

Begs the question, what are the Land Rover standards for Puma engine oils? Who in the general public knows to look up Ford standards! for a Land Rover anyway?

Does the owners manual equip/inform you on topics related to the mechanical maintenance of your vehicle? No. It tells you how to operate it. I don't know why they bother to mention the 5W/30 even....it is only part of the story.

The workshop manual is the publication that equips you with information needed to perform actions like change engine oil. It specifies what I posted several posts back. (ie much more than 5W/30)

You may feel competent to change gearbox or transfer box oils. Easy. Common sense and common knowledge how to do it. You may have done it dozens of times on older defenders. Pull the drain plug. Replace. Fill to the level of the filler bung. (And you will damage your TDCi transfer case with that process!!).

The workshop manual adds info to say DONT fill to the level of the filler bung - fill only a specific number of liters.

Point being: is the owners manual to be taken as the final authority for the task of full specification details? No.

Originally Posted by MrLandy

Begs the question, what are the Land Rover standards for Puma engine oils? Who in the general public knows to look up Ford standards! for a Land Rover anyway?

The Land Rover specs for all lubricants for the relevant vehicle is published in the Land Rover workshop manual for that vehicle.

My previous post on WSS (ford) specs requirements was cut and pasted from the Land Rover workshop manual for my (non DPF) 2.2l TDCi vehicle.

Originally Posted by tact

Does the owners manual equip/inform you on topics related to the mechanical maintenance of your vehicle? No. It tells you how to operate it. I don't know why they bother to mention the 5W/30 even....it is only part of the story.

The workshop manual is the publication that equips you with information needed to perform actions like change engine oil. It specifies what I posted several posts back. (ie much more than 5W/30)

You may feel competent to change gearbox or transfer box oils. Easy. Common sense and common knowledge how to do it. You may have done it dozens of times on older defenders. Pull the drain plug. Replace. Fill to the level of the filler bung. (And you will damage your TDCi transfer case with that process!!).

The workshop manual adds info to say DONT fill to the level of the filler bung - fill only a specific number of liters.

Point being: is the owners manual to be taken as the final authority for the task of full specification details? No.

Thanks Tact, interesting, my owners manual gives me all fluid specs and quantities. See attached, especially note at bottom 'check using dipstick or level plugs as applicable'. When I checked my diff and transfer levels they were all right at filler plug level from factory/dealer. ...Does workshop manual explain what catastrophe awaits me?

Not sure what my problem is attaching images! (...posted specs page in earlier post)

Originally Posted by MrLandy

...Does workshop manual explain what catastrophe awaits me?

From the workshop manual for 2.2l TDCi :
"CAUTION: The transfer case oil filler plug must not be used as a transfer case oil level plug. Failure to follow this instruction may result in damage to the vehicle."

Other threads speculate the reason being the transfer case is tilted a bit on TDCi's and so filling to level of filler bung would over fill. Overfill can mean seals blown. (Not my wisdom... Not that clever am I)

Originally Posted by tact

From the workshop manual for 2.2l TDCi :
"CAUTION: The transfer case oil filler plug must not be used as a transfer case oil level plug. Failure to follow this instruction may result in damage to the vehicle."

Other threads speculate the reason being the transfer case is tilted a bit on TDCi's and so filling to level of filler bung would over fill. Overfill can mean seals blown. (Not my wisdom... Not that clever am I)

...so now I need to drive 1200km found trip and pay dealer $150hr + for a service and tell them which oil to use and how to fill my transfer case? But if I do it myself, following directions in my owners manual like I have for years with my TDI, with zero problems, I'll void my warranty?

Originally Posted by MrLandy

...so now I need to drive 1200km found trip and pay dealer $150hr + for a service and tell them which oil to use and how to fill my transfer case? But if I do it myself, following directions in my owners manual like I have for years with my TDI, with zero problems, I'll void my warranty?

Are you a certified mechanic?

There will be your answer...