New Model Defender - more non info

Surely it wouldn't make sense to make it look good to potential disco customers, common sense from a business perspective must be to aim at Hilux / Ranger etc? Sad to say.:(

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Originally Posted by manic

They didn't put them on to improve off road performance.

If they road bias the defender to sell a mass load to D4,RR,RRS,FRLDR,EVO markets they may as well kill it off, they have that market covered already. It's supposed to be the ultimate 4x4 utility vehicle not a family/yuppy/urban run about. It does not need to go 200+kph - what's the bets they make a defender sport!?

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Everything LR have put out so far has said the defender replacement will be at least the equal of the current model,my guess based on absolutely no facts would be it'll run on the D3/4 floor pan with different bodies spec'ed like the Telstra special cruiser's fitted with 18'' rims. Pat

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Originally Posted by harro

All good points but unless you can quote actual torque ratings for the gearbox etc,
Really more of a rant
As for allwheel discs vs disc drum
Well they didn't just put 19 inch wheels on the D4 because they look good .
It was my understanding that engines were getting smaller because of crd technology and to save money on drive train etc upgrades.
But then without some stats to suport it that's robably just a rant to.
Don't know about the puma box but the r380 certainly was not up to the
500 plus nm mentioned and ther is more than enough complaints going around for the rover diff so probably just the lt230 that may accomodate the extra horses.

Cheers

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As scarry said, gearbox from mustang, also virtually same as ranger 3.2 td5 with 147kw and 470 nm.
Engine size is to do with fuel and eu tax, power and torque is still increasing so not valid.
Using ashcroft quality or equivalent axles, cv, cw-pinion would cost maybe $1500-$2000 extra, rover diff issues solved.

Pat the 3.2 uses same mounts as 2.2, and LR have plenty of experience with td5 installation.:D
Also the final model has etc as well as the 14 year old abs and tc, to incorporate airbags from the d1 may have cost 10 million in 98 but would have doubled or tripled sales so paid for itself. How many mine sites etc would have chosen a tc abs, etc, airbag def over a cruiser. Also toymota has other options, bigger hilux next year or tundra.

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Originally Posted by LR V8

@ harro... Well, I stopped reading yours after the first few lines...

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Thanks for your highly informed input
Much appreciated
Cheers

Couple of other quick points.
Their old owner built a 3+ton f150-250 and 6+ litre v8's with only 17in wheels in the land of litigation ;) so the braking,would be good enough in a 2ton defender.
Guess who has gone aluminium bodies in their new truck to drop 700pounds a truck?
Nissan's new navara top model have rear coil springs, a LR only feature in 4wd utes for 30 years.
Also I am sceptical about series landcruiser stopping production when they have just been re-released in Japan. That's more like brand building for a new model in 1-3 years.

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Originally Posted by harro

Thanks for your highly informed input
Much appreciated
Cheers

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No probs. Always happy to call out special people.