Talk me into a Deefer vs a JK Unlimited

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Originally Posted by Jeep Driver

I have a JK 4door and I run soft top all thru the summer including rains.... Only time it leaked if was not adjusted properly...... Changing suspension set up..... Drop tyre pressure to 16 psi and disconnecting the sway bar (2 grenade pins both either side approx 2 minutes) is all I have seen people do in the last 10 years of driving a Jeep.

Mentally challenged Jeep Drivers... Thats a bit insulting to be honest. I have a Jeep and am looking at buying a 110 Defender not because the Jeep is giving me any troubles but because I respect it as much as I respect the Jeep because of the heritage and cpapbility streight off the showroom floor...... And I wish to drive both in my life....

I have been with SJC for almost 5 years now and havent come across such a case..... Only one Jeep I saw burnt down because the owner didnt read the signals and didnt turn off the traction control in sand..... Brakes kept trying to stop the wheelspin and he kept giving it the berries.... This eventually overheated the tranny and the fluid boiled over onto the exhaust pipe and caught fire......

U quoting same kind of stuff the Toyota crowd say about the Land Rovers.. One of their favourite ones is "90% of all the Landrovers ever produced are still on the road. The other 10% made it home".

So insulting other brands does not make your car better......

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Well said.

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Originally Posted by Jeep Driver

Changing suspension set up..... Drop tyre pressure to 16 psi and disconnecting the sway bar (2 grenade pins both either side approx 2 minutes) is all I have seen people do in the last 10 years of driving a Jeep.
Mentally challenged Jeep Drivers... Thats a bit insulting to be honest. I have a Jeep and am looking at buying a 110 Defender not because the Jeep is giving me any troubles but because I respect it as much as I respect the Jeep because of the heritage and cpapbility streight off the showroom floor...... And I wish to drive both in my life....

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JeepDriver
Para 1: I agree, changed over to sway bar discos when I put the Rubicon Express Long Arm lift in my TJ. Easy as...

Para 2: I agree again, I figured I had a perfect combination a while back, the D2 set up primarily for touring with LR tank and so on, the TJ with a 4.5" lift, roll cage and various other fruit for "play days". A pair of the original & best 4WD marques, both iconic around the world. So I know what you mean about experiencing both in one's life.

I've seen a lot of people do a lot of stupid, indefensible things in 4WD's of all persuasions - Landys included - I think a lot of the stigma with Jeeps and particularly Wranglers and XJ Cherokees, is that the volume of them in their homeland means there are an awful lot in the hands large numbers rednecks, doing things that the Darwin Awards would like to hear about...

Cheers
Mike

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Originally Posted by JamesB71

Well said.

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well said

70,000klm into owning MY11 Puma 90 and not one mechanical problem. Took a while to develop the mechanical sympathy to eliminate the lash back on low gear changes though.

Only mods needed to hang with the big boys was a snorkel and some rock sliders to protect the sills (which are very easily dinged:censored:)

I know a couple of mates that have had JK's and all have sold them because of build quality and mechanical issues. You don't hear about many of the Deefer owners who have had issues selling 'em either. They just stick in there, must be love.

One final thing to consider. On the beach when your parked up and socialising, you won't get half the attention in a jeep. The 90 is a social weapon, especially with the ladies :cool:. They didn't mention that on the dealership floor, it should be in the brochure.

I love my car and I don't know of anybody driving a jeep that feels the same.

Frank,
I purchased a new 2012 Defender HCPU130 in March 2013 from a dealer in Brisbane as at that time there was no dealer in my home town, the transaction was done by phone and internet and I was very satisfied with the service I received given there was no face to face contact before I picked it up. I purchased the vehicle knowing very little about its drive ability or reliability because it was the only stock standard vehicle that could tow my boat, fit all my camping gear, fit two full size motor bikes, fit my wife and two sons and still fit in my garage under $60K on road no more to pay.
The 130 is very different to the 90 and 110 models in that you get next to no choice in accessories as Land Rover only make limited numbers per year the dealers have to pre order there stock, at least with the smaller defenders you can spec them up with flash rims and stereos etc, the 130 does not come with traction control. All variants now have the 2.2 Litre Puma engine and 6 speed box which match up quite well I have no problems pulling the boat at 2000Kg wet, the sound proofing has also been improved from the previous 2.4 Litre models and whilst not silent it is quite.
I have only done 20 000 Klm so far and whilst it is no Land Cruiser or Patrol it has not yet left me stranded on the side of the road. It is a lot more comfortable to drive long distance than the Dual cab 4x4 Hylux that it replaced, around town the clutch is a bit heavy and you do have to drive with mechanical sympathy as it will rock between the diffs in 1st and 2nd gear if you play with the accelerator to much, best to just let it idle around and change up a gear if the traffic is going a bit faster. Fuel Consumption around town is 8.5Klm/l with the AC off. The AC works well up here in the tropics.
My family are chuffed that other defender drivers wave and they are usually looking for one when we spot another coming the other way. So far the only problems I have had are the cooling hose clamp rubbing through the heater hose, the radiator overflow cap leaking coolant and still doing so after it was replaced. Just about every screw and bolt in the cab had worked loose or fallen out by the time I got the vehicle home from Brisbane (1800 klm) which I fixed myself as there was no dealer in town at that time.
I find the drivers position cozy but not cramped I`m about 5`7" and 90KG, my brother in law brought an older 2.4 Puma 110 and at 6 ft tall says he is comfortable with the after market front seat rails fitted.
Hope that helps