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Originally Posted by chopper
God I get sick of repeating this but Super Pro bushes are of the same durometer or softer than OE rubber, only their competition/extreme range are harder than stock.
They are also of a superior (IMO) design in most spots of a Rover, particularly the chassis to lower trailing arm bush and radius arm to chassis bush and none of their bushes are patterned after the OE style bush, unlike most urethane bushes which are often direct copies of the OE bush.
They tend to last significantly longer than OE rubber, most of us that use the Super Pro bushes have doubled or tripled the life of the bushes by using SP's versions, as well as generally increasing articulation and retaining stock ride characteristics.
FWIW the latest OE rubber bushes don't have the best reputation for life, and I'd be loath to recommend any other brand of urethane bush.
see post #11 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by rick130
Put a rubber bush on one of your foreheads and a eurothane on the other then slap them both like some sort of an immature Bart Simpson and see which one hurts the most.Quote:
Originally Posted by uninformed
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Originally Posted by rick130
Where do you get your info from regarding hardness ?
I get mine from many years of experience and I am yet to see any brands softer than rubber. Fitted a set of sway bar links ( superpro ) last week , hard as , needed to compress the bushes first before getting the nut back on and then you can barley move the link sideways in relation to the sway bay when tightened !
If thats how you perfrom a test of these bushes with all your years of experience, then Im a little concerned with any other advice you might give :D and how many foreheads do you have? Not from Tassie are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by chopper
you also said "They also give a harsher ride. They do look good on hot-rods as you can colour match with your paint scheme.
The only plus side is they are often easier to fit as some part numbers do away with the outer sleeve so no need to press in, and once fitted the suspension doesn't need to be set to ride height before tightening because the bush is free to rotate ( a big plus for people who don't now what they are doing ).This procedure is not relevant to the front axle in question."
right there you pretty much lose credability. You can not color match Super Pro bushes (which this thread is specificly about) They give pretty much the same ride as OEM, but not too many people are pulling out brand new OEM bushes to compare to brand new Super Pro, so the difference is lost in ware. And the radius arm bushes at axle end do not have a outer sleeve so that exactly applies to SG1's axle in question....
I would not be suprised if the guys at Super Pro designed the sway bar bush to be stiffer. You do realise they have the ability to change hardness etc at the design phase right?
If you are bunching all urethane type bushes in the same basket, I could only assume you think all brands of ruber bushes are equal also....
NO "Uninformed" I designed that test for your mentality.
I thought this thread was about a clunk after fitting non gen bushes that happened to be Superpro. He never said he had a clunk with originals
If you had any comprehension skills you would see that I don't discriminate against superpro in fact I mostly refer to eurothane in general which you can choose many colours if you dare stray from the almighty Superpro brand that some of you seem to have shares in or make money through sales .I also sell a mostly superpro as my main supplier pushes it BUT I always try for rubber first and will continue to do so. A forum is always going to be about opinions and I am still yet to see where it states that superpro is softer than rubber.
so all shock absorbers are the same? All ARBs the same, all tyres the same etc.. ;) Its not rocket science, it has been proven already on LR products by many here and not.Quote:
Originally Posted by chopper
Since you bring up comprehension skills and have many years experience, do you think that possibly the act of changing the bushes themselves could be the issue, not the brand or type? i.e. the fact that bolts have been undone, components removed etc? Yet you seemed to jump straight on the "urethante is bad" wagon.
UNINFORMED.
Obviously YOU didn't read my FIRST sentence.
" The inside of the brackets are probably worn a fair bit and as was mentioned renew the bolts also. When I did mine I had to retighten (very tight) a few times but it finally took up. "
I then went on to give MY own opinion on eurothane bushes in general, ( sorry about that ) based on my experience "professional " as I make my living out of it.
It is clear that this differs from your opinion, SO WHAT.
Did I mention my FIRST sentence , or cant you see past the eurothane spiel I gave , and that you took that personally as a dig at Superpro.
Did I also mention that I don't like any eurothane regardless of colour or nationality.
Still interested to see where it is stated that superpro is softer.
Talking about all the same, I have never been asked with eurothane type bushes would I like soft medium or hard and never asked if I would like fries with that either.
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Originally Posted by chopper
From one of the engineers at Fulcrum/Super Pro.
I've spoken to them several times over the years.
AFAIK all of their suspension bushes for Landies are at least as soft as OE, I have no reason to doubt him as in my experience my arse bears that out.
The only ones harder are the radius arm bushes for comp vehicles.
They work with one of the local to them Landy specialists and test out redesigned bushes on everything from rock crawlers to tourers to make sure they work better than OE.
Have a look at their lower rear trailing arm to chassis bush, it's really nicely designed and allows quite a bit more flex than stock where the genuine items take a compression set way too easily.
The front radius arm bushes are a better design too IMO.
I agree with you that urethane isn't ideal in a rotating bush, IMO rubber is better there but I've used the SP A frame bushes and they've lasted really well. (220,000km so far)
The OE crush tubes flogged out the bolts and then flogged the crush tubes resulting in huge slop after about 100,000km. Classic fault of a bolt in double shear bearing on the threads instead of the shank on one side of the clevis.