The real reason Defenders don't have an ANCAP rating

Alright, I shouldn't have got involved in a thread that was light hearted. I guess I was drawn to the thread because it is a topic of obvious interest to me..

On the fact that the land rover defender had the best UK numbers crash statistics. It does better than some but not that well in Australia..

Here is a nice statistical assessment of crash records in Australia.

"http://www.monash.edu.au/miri/research/reports/muarc318.pdf"

on Page 88 you can see the actual statistics;

Defenders 77 injuries 28 severely injured in Australia and New Zealand

this leads to a injury risk (the risk of injury given crash involvement) as the following; (page 112)

Defender 14.56 % (not bad in its category but not statistically significant enough to be confident)

for comparison a Volvo XC90 7.55 %

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Though I agree that the UK evidence is confidence inspiring in the defender, especially considering the sample size does seem significant;
http://web.archive.org/web/200809291...eriskofdri1801

Coming on the Defender forum to rubbish Defenders is like walking into a church and telling the people they are the wrong religion, and saying you have the facts to prove them wrong.

Many, when given the choice between Volvos and death, would choose death.

Jeff

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Originally Posted by woodsa

Though I agree that the UK evidence is confidence inspiring in the defender, especially considering the sample size does seem significant;
http://web.archive.org/web/200809291...eriskofdri1801

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This was sitting a bit forlorn at the bottom of the post...

Amen Jeff! :D:D:D

Cheers,

Lou

The muarc318 report analyses the crashworthiness of vehicles. It does not analyse the safety of vehicles, only one aspect, that of safety when involved in an accident, taking no note of the probability of involvement in an accident.

Other muarc reports based on comparing accident reports from insurance company data and comparing these to the numbers of the vehicle in use show that accident, injury and death rates are low for large four wheel drives including the Defender. The highest rates of accidents, injury and death are all cars that score well in crashworthiness, but are high performance and favoured by car thieves.

John

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Originally Posted by FeatherWeightDriver

'Nuff said really... :D

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...014/12/412.jpg

(apologies if this has been posted before)

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He's no dummy, he knows what this car will be worth once it goes out of production. There's no way he wants to crash it.

If I understand correctly, ANCAP measures safety after the crash incident, not 'dynamic' safety leading up to or potentially avoiding it.
For example
Driver visibility
Max road speed
Max braking distance at max speed
Stability, permanent 4wd a plus
Etc

So on a Defender theme your unlikely to see a pair of burn out marks just before a gum tree.

Posting facts about Defender accidents, is not bagging the product, rather it's a justification for a ROPS :angel:

I'm not rubbishing defenders.

Just because I don't think the Defender is a benchmark of passive or active safety doesn't mean I don't like them or understand why others do.

I don't think a John Deere is a benchmark of passive or active safety either but I still think they are a great bit of kit.

I'm not trying to preach, just wanted to discuss a topic of interest.

Remember that vehicles get a star for pedestrian safety and for having ABS brakes and stability control,none of which will do anything to protect you if you crash. Pat

Professional race/rally cars are probably the safest car to be in in an accident. No airbags, ABS or stability control, just an excellent roll cage and harness system.

There is no reason you couldn't make a defender just as safe by installing a properly designed cage and harnesses. Except that you can't drive around wearing a helmet and the b-pillar is close to your head in a side-on.

Spot on!

Perhaps we should all ditch the 'how cool my car looks inside' as the girls apply their lippy looking in the illuminated sun visor mirror... and instead fit roll cages, 5 point harnesses and all wear helmets as standard in every car!

Drop head porky drivers would rebel... we would not as NO one would see us anyway! :>)