2016 'Defender'

Of course they can do it.

A hybrid Iveco Massif / Defender would tick all the boxes

Read the model in Brief article in the link below - if only LandRover would follow this philosophy , they would sell like hotcakes, let the late sippers buy Evoques etc.

http://www.iveco.com/en-us/press-roo..._in_brief.aspx

I reckon the interior craps all over a Puma too AND they have elbow room !!

say Iveco Massif on Defender suspension with the 3.0L Sofim FPT engine.

That engine rocks - Mine is the twin turbo Euro5 and in a defender would go like stink, same engine now is into Euro6 in the new Daily - with AbBlue

Thanks Goingbush, intriguing. Iveco Massif on the radar.

...and yes, of course LR can do it... But will they? is the question. Or will they capitulate into the Hilux market?

Unfortunatly thats quite an old press release the Massif is now History, Defender soon to follow.

Iveco Massif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the Massif was superseded by the New Daily 4x4, If I get a chance to buy a Massif and bring it back here I will, I think they are the goods http://static.commercialmotor.com/bi...g/Massif01.JPG

That argument/thought stands straight up Didge. Might even be prophetic. Billy

I reckon the real story is that Land Rover are hell bent on repositioning Defender as a recreational dualcab/wagon. It might have live axles Pat, but I'm not convinced. Goingbush is right I reckon - Iveco or Isuzu have it all before them if they want it - the light truck crossover. Land Rover and Toyota are going for the mass leisure market, like Nissan before them.

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Originally Posted by cuppabillytea

I'm sure that the Land Rover people keep a close eye on what we the end users do with and say about our purchases. Fora such as this would be a mine of information. The significance of the market's application of their product will not be lost on them. The defender's replacement will certainly be a high resolution reflection of this. However it has to comply with Euro spec and design rules world wide so it can't remain the way it is.
Your contribution to this process is at least as important as anyone else's. I gather you are a Land Rover Lifer, so your self deprecation has to be an ironic crack at the ideologues amongst us.
I'm probably the demographic antithesis of your good self but I understand where You're coming from. I've got an old Russian Government issue watch which I bought from a Russian sailor at the collapse of the Soviet Union. It worked for about a year and a half but i still hang on to it.

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:) and ....amazing time piece, you should have it refurbished.

Wishful thinking didge.

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Originally Posted by MrLandy

I reckon the real story is that Land Rover are hell bent on repositioning Defender as a recreational dualcab/wagon. It might have live axles Pat, but I'm not convinced. Goingbush is right I reckon - Iveco or Isuzu have it all before them if they want it - the light truck crossover. Land Rover and Toyota are going for the mass leisure market, like Nissan before them.

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My thoughts as well,LR are usually ahead of the rest,and IS is the future.

Lets just hope they don't complicate the vehicle more than it has to be,it seems they are going away from driver input,with LR also leading the way.

I nice basic simple,but very capable,family wagon has been missing from their line up for years.Auto,TDV6 bla bla.Sensible tyre sizes are a must as well.

As for being as popular as the Hilux,can't see that ever happening,very difficult to change peoples ideas,that would take decades.

Scarry ford already outsell the hilux, if you combine both ranger and bt50 sales, they have for about 2 years in the 4x4 ute sector. Their identical cars under the skin, and what the new defender would have been based on if lr was still in bed with ford, hell, it's even got a 130 inch wheelbase;)
For that reason, lr should target the ranger , bt 50, as well as the hilux as the ute to beat. Not so much the bt50 look as its but ugly from the front.:D

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Originally Posted by frantic

Scarry ford already outsell the hilux, if you combine both ranger and bt50 sales, they have for about 2 years in the 4x4 ute sector. Their identical cars under the skin, and what the new defender would have been based on if lr was still in bed with ford, hell, it's even got a 130 inch wheelbase;)
For that reason, lr should target the ranger , bt 50, as well as the hilux as the ute to beat. Not so much the bt50 look as its but ugly from the front.:D

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And that's the end of Defender.