Do I really not need to service my Puma for 20,000km?

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Originally Posted by Tombie

The primary question one must ask..

How long are you really going to keep the vehicle..

I see an enormous amount of people on here who service far more than log book requirements and then change vehicle every 3-4 years...

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agreed, if you change vehicle often, just do book scheduled maintenance and let warranty take care of issues.

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As for arduous conditions being described as dirt/dusty roads - unless you're eating someone else's dust then the road surface make no difference to vehicle use (except shocks etc) - it certainly doesn't increase engine wear..

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absolutely agree - infact my aircleaner is fresher after 10,000km of outback use than 5000km in the city . I'm a lone traveller and never go in convoy - tag along etc. Stop / start driving and short runs are harder on a vehicle than outback driving.

I don't have a Puma, not even a LR, but the same principals apply. The only thing that needs more attention on rough roads are the king pin greasing. (Not Applicable to LR ) so Iveco want 20k servicing rather than 40k . Interestingly the Bremach T-Rex Maintenance guide (similar Italian 4x4 with same running gear) calls for Daily king Pin greasing in heavy duty off road conditions, so the Iveco philosophy is a bit pointless.

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Feel free to throw copious amounts of oil and cash into the lubrication systems if you feel the need, you will find very little benefit to be had, however, if it helps you feel good about your vehicle and provides a sense of peace of mind, then maybe it holds real value.

Cheers

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If you have to struggle to scrape together $ 100,000 hard earned on a vehicle, that is going to be a once in a lifetime purchase then I don't consider a more thorough maintenance regime to be a waste of oil and cash. IMO The long service intervals are not good for a vehicles longevity .

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Originally Posted by Rurover

I'm interested in learning more about this "diagnostic interface".
How does it work, how easy is it to install, what does it cost and can I get one for a Defender?
Thanks.

Alan

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You are in need of a Nanocom, about $500 for a Defender , you plug it into the OBD2 port . interrogates ECU for fault finding etc. There are other active threads on it here.

Unfortunatly the only Nanocom type interface tool for Iveco is the dealer Level Eltrac EASY (and it dosent even have a display) , $22,000 + $3500 annual subscription from Iveco Australia, Luckily the devices are available on the black market (ebay) in Europe for around $5000 , but without the annual subscription there is no hookup into the Iveco server so can't do programming updates, but otherwise fully functional. You need this tool for self servicing on the Euro5 Iveco .

(anyone who thinks that $500 is too much for a Nanocom should think again. )

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Originally Posted by cafe latte

Yes Pat and here in Aus most of us live in high ambient temps so the oil will need changing more often and 20,000km is just far too long no mater how new the car is especially here in Aus. Each time the engine fires no matter how old or new the engine is contaminants get in the oil, the older the oil the more there are so both heat and contaminants are a factor. Engines are basically the same as they always were under the plastic covers, yes newer engines are a bit more efficient and a bit cleaner but there is no new magic technology to keep the oil clean.
Chris

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Total rubbish. Pat

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Originally Posted by Sitec

Diesels run better when hot. Having moved from the UK to here, I've noticed everything is at running temp a lot quicker. The most wear (and that means lots of fine bits ending up in oils and filters) occurs from cold start up.. I have bought one vehicle over with me.. It has over 400000kms on it. It used to struggle to start in UK winters, filling the yard with smoke, running rough and taking an age to warm up, using oil as it did.. Since being here, it always starts, never smokes, rarely needs glow plugs and does not use oil between changes... Its all designed to run at working temp, and that happens a lot quicker here, so IMO its not BS. Granted, if you're traveling up the Canning you have dust to think about, but otherwise, I wouldn't worry to much!!

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The force is strong with this one :twisted:. Pat

My 110 is coming up for 12months and will be having its first service when we get home. By the time it goes in it will have about 10,000 on the clock. The 90 will probably be about 12,000km by the time it is 12 months old. I was going to do an oil change at 5,000km but considering it took nearly 10months to get there I didn't see the point in changing oil for 3 months.

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Originally Posted by Sitec

Diesels run better when hot. Having moved from the UK to here, I've noticed everything is at running temp a lot quicker. The most wear (and that means lots of fine bits ending up in oils and filters) occurs from cold start up.. I have bought one vehicle over with me.. It has over 400000kms on it. It used to struggle to start in UK winters, filling the yard with smoke, running rough and taking an age to warm up, using oil as it did.. Since being here, it always starts, never smokes, rarely needs glow plugs and does not use oil between changes... Its all designed to run at working temp, and that happens a lot quicker here, so IMO its not BS. Granted, if you're traveling up the Canning you have dust to think about, but otherwise, I wouldn't worry to much!!

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You are right diesel engines like being warm, but but the oil is not the engine..
Chris

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Originally Posted by cafe latte

You are right diesel engines like being warm, but but the oil is not the engine..
Chris

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But it is instrumental in its cooling.

The speculation about LR intentions, engine designers motives, etc are all very amusing in this thread..

Quality oil, quality filtration, correct warm up behavior (don't flog it cold) and environment that the engine breathes (again quality of filtration comes in here) play a far larger part in the equation.

Low quality fuels don't help either!


Let's just conclude that:

Some people are still of the belief that engines are dinosaurs and need 5,000km servicing

Some people have settled around 10-12,000km as a reasonable interval

Some will just service at factory intervals.

Some will actually test their oil, ascertain a point where they have still got oil that is protecting the engine but is now due for a change...

Some will live in the perception that our country is some freak anomaly compared to the rest of the planet that eats vehicles and engines and spits out scored cylinder bores and gear teeth.

:D

As ive not had mine that long and it almost coming up for 10,000 me thinks on this first instance i shall be getting it serviced by a specialist.

I will attempt the next one as long as you kind people are here to p[point me in the right direction.....:D:D

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Originally Posted by Tombie

But it is instrumental in its cooling.

The speculation about LR intentions, engine designers motives, etc are all very amusing in this thread..

Quality oil, quality filtration, correct warm up behavior (don't flog it cold) and environment that the engine breathes (again quality of filtration comes in here) play a far larger part in the equation.

Low quality fuels don't help either!


Let's just conclude that:

Some people are still of the belief that engines are dinosaurs and need 5,000km servicing

Some people have settled around 10-12,000km as a reasonable interval

Some will just service at factory intervals.

Some will actually test their oil, ascertain a point where they have still got oil that is protecting the engine but is now due for a change...

Some will live in the perception that our country is some freak anomaly compared to the rest of the planet that eats vehicles and engines and spits out scored cylinder bores and gear teeth.

:D

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There is nothing special about are country, but it is not the UK (where Land Rover as we all know is from). I spent most of my life in the UK and going 4x4ing does not really exist, unless you go to a muddy disused quarry for the weekend and get bogged on purpose which is a bit sad I always thought. If you are a farmer you might drive across your fields, the rest of the public might drive a green lane, but most are now closed to 4x4's now. Most Landy owners will never go off the bitumen in the UK and they will never for sure drive hours on unsealed dusty roads in temps of 35 plus degrees. And folks in the UK will not be able to drive some of the amazing 4x4 tracks we have here. Aus conditions are very different to the UK which is all I said and our dusty hot conditions are hard on oil.
Also engines have not changed as much as you think, yes we have variable valve timing, fuel injection and electronics but little else has changed, a mechanic for 50 years ago would still understand the rest of the engine.
Chris

This might be a topic for another thread, but I enquired as to the cost of an intermediate (10,000Km interval, arduous use) 'B Service' at a LR dealer.
Ball park figure of around $1K, broken down as 3 hrs labour, replace oil / filter, brake flush, air filter and checking of other fluids.

For the bloke choosing not to DIY, regular servicing could become costly.