Puma power..

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Originally Posted by steane

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What defender struggles to do 100kmh and what makes a Puma so much better at that speed? You mentioned white knuckles and the need for tuning...

You said it, I'm just asking for more info.

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Last reply was an attempt to point to the supposition thing and its NOT being any kind of statement about Pumas being better than any other defender. Last response hopefully made it clear that I supposed its those people (with defenders scary at speed) who perhaps don't know how good TDCIs are at speed.

Now to specifically respond to your statements and questions:
The Defender that inspired the exact terms I used (struggled to reach 100 and was a white knuckles scary ride) belongs to a fellow who is barely an acquaintance and we happened to both be on a trip organised by mutual friends.

On the highway transit home (7hr drive) we stopped for a meal. Convoy lead raised the travel speed topic, "Is everyone happy to continue on at 100kmh?" (The highway speed limits 110kmh). I ventured to suggest its ok to up to 110 if thats ok with others. The acquaintance asked to keep it at 100. So it was agreed to convoy at 100.

Chit-chat then touched on speed. I said that when not in convoy and far from traffic and speed police I don't hesitate to sit on 140 for long periods. Acquaintance then regaled how much hard work it is to keep his defender inside the lines at speeds over 100.

In the nature of good hearted banter we ended up trading keys. He drove mine. I drove his. It was a scary white knuckle experience for me, and a struggle to maintain 100kmh on anything but dead flat, or downhill sections. The experiment terminated in less than an hour. I wanted my TDCi back!

This led to my "uncertain belief" that it is perhaps people who have experienced defenders that struggle to reach 100kmh and are scary at speed - who don't yet understand how good the TDCi is at speed.

Answering your question, directly, in two parts:
What Defender struggles to do 100?:
THAT Defender in the story above struggled to make 100 and is definitely scary at that speed (no specific grouping like "all TDi's" was implied in my writing)

What makes a Puma so much better at that speed?:
TDCi's generally, as a vehicle grouping, and the 2.2s specifically are
- newer
- quieter
- have a lot more get up and go still in reserve (safer overtaking etc)

(Probably more but I am getting tired of my own writing - the rest of you must be positively sick of it.)

Directions to Race Wars to settle this.

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I live my life 0-100km/h at a time. For that 14minutes and 21 seconds of my life... I'm free.

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Originally Posted by Toxic_Avenger

I live my life 0-100km/h at a time. For that 14minutes and 21 seconds of my life... I'm free.

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ahhhhahahak! Saw it written somewhere but cannot remember where to give fair credit.

My defender can do low 4's for the 0-100. My preferred unit of measure is km not seconds.

I guess we'd be in the running for the wooden spoon at the snowy mountains 1000 though.... amiright?!

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Originally Posted by steane

Spent plenty of time in a 2.2 Puma.

You were very specific. Pat hasnt answered any question I asked and I didnt direct the questions fo Pat.. You can still have a go at answering them though.

What defender struggles to do 100kmh and what makes a Puma so much better at that speed? You mentioned white knuckles and the need for tuning...

You said it, I'm just asking for more info.

My tag line applies to all Defenders. They aren't Porches, not even the 2.2. Tag line is also a play on a well known phrase associated with Land Rovers.

I agree wholeheartedly that the 2.2 is a great machine. Id have one. I could buy one now but I like my 300tdi and dont want to change. Im not debating which defender is best, I like them all, I'm just asking you to expand on your very specific comments. I'm not aware of a Defender that cant do 100 and the 2.2 I drove didnt handle any better or worse at that speed than mine did. Neither is or was a white knuckle experience.

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OK,to answer your question.The TDCi has an engine with more power and more torque in more places,the TDCi has a gearbox with more gears that are more evenly matched,more gears in more places,the TDCi has sway bars,they help with body roll,less roll in more places,Overall the TDCi has a stronger engine,better gearbox that uses the power more effectively,is quieter,turns better and has less rolly polly,is that a better answer?. Pat

Thanks Tact.

That's all I wanted to know ;)

I figured it was some chap you probably barely knew driving a clapped out old Defender. Seemed the logical answer when I gave it a bit of thought.

Forgot to answer one question,''what defender struggles to do 100'',one with a horse float,boat,camper,caravan hanging off the back unless it's a TDCi. Pat

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Originally Posted by PAT303

OK,to answer your question.The TDCi has an engine with more power and more torque in more places,the TDCi has a gearbox with more gears that are more evenly matched,more gears in more places,the TDCi has sway bars,they help with body roll,less roll in more places,Overall the TDCi has a stronger engine,better gearbox that uses the power more effectively,is quieter,turns better and has less rolly polly,is that a better answer?. Pat

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Not really Pat, you keep answering questions I'm not asking:p. I'm cool with that as what the hell else are we going to do on a Friday night!

I simply wanted to know what Defender struggles to do 100 and is a "white knuckle" experience at that speed when/if it is ever obtained.

Tact has answered my questions.

All is well;)