Troglodytes

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Originally Posted by Andy130

2. to know how to fix it when it goes wrong

To point 2 - how embarrassing would it be to own a defender and not know how to fix the basic mechanical components ?

As technology moves on, I think perhaps the new defenders and their owners may depart from this inherit ideology?

There is more to the intrinsic nature of the defender and its ownership - someone else can do a better job of explaining that bit:D

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There are 10 types of people in this world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

Some understand electricity and wiring, and some that lean towards the spanners and hammers. I've had plenty of experience with both, and I guess it's just a matter of finding what the problem is before it can be fixed- irrespective of whether it's electrical or mechanical. This could be cleaning out the waterlogged sensor, blown fuse or melted wire, or replacing sheared bolts, blown gaskets or coolant leaks.

A mechanical dunce would be screwed with a non operational S1 just as much as they would be with a RR Vogue... so I guess the argument on one versus the other is more a matter of what tools you want / need to throw at the problem.

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Originally Posted by Toxic_Avenger

A mechanical dunce would be screwed with a non operational S1 just as much as they would be with a RR Vogue... so I guess the argument on one versus the other is more a matter of what tools you want / need to throw at the problem.

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At the beginning, are not we all mechanical dunces? I learned the basics from my dad and the gregory's manuals. Now I learn a lot from the internet, in particular this forum.

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Originally Posted by Bohica

At the beginning, are not we all mechanical dunces? I learned the basics from my dad and the gregory's manuals. Now I learn a lot from the internet, in particular this forum.

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That is not untrue.
Gets back to my first post here where I believe my vehicle is a vehicle through which I can learn / develop new skills.

I guess I've just made all my mistakes and learned a bit on other vehicles before this one... that being said I've made some mistakes on my 90's build, but no monumental ****ups which have been show stoppers.

I once bought an engine out of a written off vehicle- had grand plans of building a highly strung, high revving non turbo V6 for hill climb use.
By the time I stripped it and found half the cams on the DOHC were scratched and pitted, bent cam caps, and scored bores, I thought it best to leave that project alone. It was good to see and hold the parts of an engine in all their oily / greasy goodness, but as for living a new life with a student's budget, all hope was lost. But the good thing was I learned something, and was the better for it out the other end.
But to this day, automatic transmissions and rotary engines are still a mystery to me :confused:

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Originally Posted by Chops

Every time I went somewhere in it, someone spoke to me. Be it they were happy to see the car, or just trying to take the **** out of it,,, there was always chatter.

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I find this a great part of owning a Defender - I get both - especially the latter - but I enjoy the banter. Especially the joke about how great my Defender looks for it's age - hmmn - it is only 3 months old!

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Originally Posted by Andy130

How embarrassing would it be to own a defender and not know how to fix the basic mechanical components ?

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Surely that was said in jest :cool:

So funny that you need to know how to fix a Defender to own it :D

I have no skills - my 1st 4WD --> Whoops - I missed that line in the contract - however I'll do my best to learn as I go!

Cheers,
Col.

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Originally Posted by Toxic_Avenger

There are 10 types of people in this world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

Some understand electricity and wiring, and some that lean towards the spanners and hammers. I've had plenty of experience with both, and I guess it's just a matter of finding what the problem is before it can be fixed- irrespective of whether it's electrical or mechanical. This could be cleaning out the waterlogged sensor, blown fuse or melted wire, or replacing sheared bolts, blown gaskets or coolant leaks.

A mechanical dunce would be screwed with a non operational S1 just as much as they would be with a RR Vogue... so I guess the argument on one versus the other is more a matter of what tools you want / need to throw at the problem.

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lol, yes this is all true. I guess that I just dont want the reliance on a computer to work out what the problem is.

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Originally Posted by Col 110

I find this a great part of owning a Defender - I get both - especially the latter - but I enjoy the banter. Especially the joke about how great my Defender looks for it's age - hmmn - it is only 3 months old!


Surely that was said in jest :cool:

So funny that you need to know how to fix a Defender to own it :D

I have no skills - my 1st 4WD --> Whoops - I missed that line in the contract - however I'll do my best to learn as I go!

Cheers,
Col.

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haha, I have no skills either Col . Like I said, Ive owned this defender ( my first) for less than 2 months - i'm learning as I do the rebuild - it came apart easy enough....lets see if I can get it back together :-)

Something else that I seem to notice, is when you see cars well kitted out, I tend to look for battle scars.
On a Defer, its character/toughness/used, on a Disco, well, it just seems a shame, but at least you can see it gets used :).
They are no less tougher than the Defer of course, but they do look good, and always seems a shame when you see them scared up.

mmmm , sounds like you guys may be looking for the Richard Bach of Land Rovers.

I wonder if he has owned one?

I might just try and find out.

An intriguing insight ramblingboy, cheers. Indeed, the 'Illusion' we are creating for ourselves is perhaps becoming the real? No doubt Bach would offer an enlightening perspective on 'roving' as a modus operandi...

Our 95 Disco 300Tdi was great, took us lots of places, gave us some grief, but I learnt a lot from it.
Our Defender is more modern than the Disco was, but has a much longer history. It makes me smile, people wave, Asian tourists take selfies with it, its supremely capable and feels like it is meant to be used. Plus, my wife loves it and urges me to wave back - how good is that!

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