Gracie. DISASTER. Transmission Failure.

All cars have their problems, some because they have inherent faults, they get fixed if the model run is long enough or the accountants have their way and cheap parts continue to be used or the effort does not get spent to fix the problem. Then out comes a new model and the cycle starts again.

I have a 300Tdi and a Td5 both have had their model related faults. The R380 and LT230 combination had a similar issue to that of the MT82, not a spud shaft but the splines on the gearbox main output shaft and input gear to the transfer case. At least with the TDCi the spud shaft and the output socket can be replaced without having to rebuild the box, I had to get the R380 rebuilt as the main shaft had lost it's splines. Then there was the timing belt and had to get the the front timing cover replaced etc. The Td5 has fuel coolers, worn fuel hoses on top of the tank, leaking injectors, blah, blah.

You weigh up the situation, fix the problem, get rid of or hold onto the vehicle. If you get rid of it then you can move onto another model in the same brand or move onto another marque. You would think that systemic faults would not occur, everyone is under pressure to do more with less. It is just a symptom of the times.

Looks like there are fixes for this TDCi problem so it must be time for LR to introduce a new model.

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Originally Posted by aj90

I'm a huge Land Rover fan but this is why people move away from Land Rovers. Tom Sheppard was a frequent traveller & explorer to isolated locations throughout the world with Land Rover products; he was let down once too often so moved to Merc G Wagons, more recently like the Australian Army have done.
Forums like this one are a huge help as are specialist LR service garages. I think the only way to go is to do alot of preventative maintenance ahead of time including adding known fixes eg Ashcroft add ons etc.
I'm in the process of doing this with my 90 as I'm now keeping it for longer than expected given the huge cost and rarity for any new ones left!!

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The difference between a happy holiday and a tow is knowing your vehicle,preventative maintenance,dealing with known issue's,the use of common sense before-during and returning from a trip is no different regardless of brand,I'll bet Tom Sheppard has a very good Merc mechanic. Pat

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Originally Posted by justinc

WARNING PUMA KNOCKING ABOUT TO HAPPEN . Look away if offended...

I as a repairer can 100% say that these vehicles are worse than the previous models for faults per vehicle. I've seen ON MULTIPLE VEHICLES loose and even missing sway bar link bolts all the way through to engine failures due to poor design. Including all components of the complete driveline.

This is also 100% the reason i don't have one and bought a dmax ite for work use. I love my landies anyone who knows me knows this . However i will not give this model a good rap.

As i have also stated previously somewhete here i have plenty of satisfied customers who hardly have any issues at all but plenty at the other end of the spectrum too.

Take what you will from this post.

Jc

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Sorry JC but no,half the members of the Sydney LR club were off the road because of timing belt failures,R380 stripped output splines,P Gasket failures,plastic dowel HG failures,loom oil contamination,fuel cooler leaks,oil pump bolts and lets not forget axle flange failures,I also remember the days of LR not repairing vehicles under warranty Ala Toyota/Nissan.The TDCi has bugger all issue's mechanically compared to the three models before it,where it's let down is the QC on assembly. Pat

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Originally Posted by PAT303

Sorry JC but no,half the members of the Sydney LR club were off the road because of timing belt failures,R380 stripped output splines,P Gasket failures,plastic dowel HG failures,loom oil contamination,fuel cooler leaks,oil pump bolts and lets not forget axle flange failures,I also remember the days of LR not repairing vehicles under warranty Ala Toyota/Nissan.The TDCi has bugger all issue's mechanically compared to the three models before it,where it's let down is the QC on assembly. Pat

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I've been doing this for 26 years now and started my landrover love affair back with Range rover and county etc. I have owned some of and worked on all of those models and have built a business around them. We will have to agree to disagree on this subject Pat ☺

Jc

I would agree with JC, they are design issues. They put this car together in a hurry and created mechanically a "Frankenstein"

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Originally Posted by PAT303

...these two problems are no different to what we went through with the Tdi and Td5 when they were new,all up the TDCi is a much stronger vehicle than both,people just have sort memories. Pat

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I will concede, I have a selective memory. What memories do you have of TDI, td5 driveline problems hitting at low mileage and how is the puma set up much stronger?

Looking at the problems experienced, would people recommend doing the Ashcroft MT82 Output Adapter along with things like heavy duty drive flanges, and possibly heavier duty axles and CV's sooner rather than later? Or would you say just run it until things go bad and then replace then (hopefully you're not too far out for the tow)? This is on a brand new 2016 90, where I do notice a bit more slop compared to the TD5 90 I had years ago.

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Originally Posted by davisshannon

Looking at the problems experienced, would people recommend doing the Ashcroft MT82 Output Adapter along with things like heavy duty drive flanges, and possibly heavier duty axles and CV's sooner rather than later? Or would you say just run it until things go bad and then replace then (hopefully you're not too far out for the tow)? This is on a brand new 2016 90, where I do notice a bit more slop compared to the TD5 90 I had years ago.

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I have developed a list for these later models which now includes an Ashcroft ATB for the transfer case and a removal and lube of the yrans adapter in the same job. Next a change and inspection of the diff oils at 10k service. ANY sign of silver and we'll look closely at loose crosspins in the front diff and premature bearing failure for the rear diff ( p38a only in 110 and 130) and crosspin issues with the rear diff in a 90. Also a complete tightening of every suspension bush/ bolt and wheel bearing service/ change to oil lube hubs.

Jc

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Originally Posted by davisshannon

Looking at the problems experienced, would people recommend doing the Ashcroft MT82 Output Adapter along with things like heavy duty drive flanges, and possibly heavier duty axles and CV's sooner rather than later? Or would you say just run it until things go bad and then replace then (hopefully you're not too far out for the tow)? This is on a brand new 2016 90, where I do notice a bit more slop compared to the TD5 90 I had years ago.

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THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE AND OPINION:

i own a 2013 2.2 110. Ive had parts thrown at my truck which in reality were thrown at it becuase of simple fixes which the dealer didnt address for what ever reason. For example i had 3 rear diffs (the 1st diff however was setup inccorrectly from factory) when the actual problem was the rear axels and flanges for example, ive even had 2 gearboxes :what: amongst a long list
Anyway to make a puma tough and reliable you need the following (remeber my opinion):
Hd rear axels
Hd flanges all round
Rear diff locker
Rear wheel carrier
Ashcroft output shaft kit

Thats it! Thats my experience, those listed items make the puma a formidable beast, tougher than any toyo or nissan out there! Obviously i could go on with the list of mods but they are not necessities but rather "wants" eg intercooler, remap, egr removal, 33s, bullbar, roof rack, lights, draws, snorkel, etc etc etc

Hi All
As l am looking at PUMA 130 - what is the cost for the Ashcroft MT82 Output Adapter + labour? I believe Ritter and Les Richmond are agents for Ashcrofts?

Michael