Defenders on "Car Sales."

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Originally Posted by manic

You cant say the defenders are desirable just because they are iconic. The defender is iconic for good reasons and not all of it is historical.

Now more than ever, it is versatile in ways most other 4x4s are not. Defender has scope for 90, 110, 130, utes, camper bodies, pop tops, ambulances, fire engines.... bolt ons galore!

You cannot 'build' a D1-2-3-4-5 like you can a defender. A defender has 35 years of genuine parts to choose from. Then theres the aftermarket which is huge. There have been countless custom builds done for services, overlanders and enthusiasts. Its all out there, pick and choose or dare to attempt something unique.

Durability and practicallity - yep, still got it. If you smash up a panel, unbolt it and replace. The engine and driveline all sit in space that is easilly accessible should you need to spin a spanner. It has a high usable payload with versatile range of suspension options to suit.

A defender is a 4x4 that can get out there and explore worldwide. The rest are almost entirely family orientated SUVs for sophisticated markets.

For these reasons and more it is still one of the best expedition/adventure 4x4s available. Prices reflect that. SUVs in the show rooms today do not even come close.

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Except for a G-Professional of course...

The defender is the most competent vehicle i have ever driven offroad and ive driven a few. The only vehicle that is better than a defender in standard form is a jeep rubicon. The rubicons are amazing however they have the payload of a cheese sandwich and arent touring friendly as a result.
The defender is excellent "offroad" value compared to almost every 4wd option available. They are very versatile and can be modified to ones intended purpose. I've never owned a vehcile that offered as much versatility and was so rewarding with every modification. It had character cause i tailored it to my idea of "offroad" and it never failed to deliver.

I could modify any other 4wd vehicle in the world and id never have the same sense of enjoyment and or rewarding experience offroad as i did in my 110. It was simply beautiful amd unstoppable.

People are paying good money for them casue there aren't any vehciles left that offer the same versatility and or unique driving pleasure of a defender.

They are a dinosaur in a modern world of overally complicated vehicles that are iconic and rewarding to own, drive and modify.

If this price is about right I'm under insured on mine !

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/brun...tdi/1175777162


Mine is '95 with about 120K on the clock.


Colin

Good...
Mine will be put up for sale

People love their own vehicles if they do great trips where the vehicle adds to the trip. There are differing views obviously about D2 and Deefer off-road ability (Stefan might well say for very technical tracks a well modded D2 is the go...) and certainly I prefer a well sorted D2 buy each to their own.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Zeros

Not this again...it's pretty obvious, but here's a short list to start with:

Aluminium panels + heavy chassis = low centre of gravity
Economical engine
Four coils suspension, superior wheel travel and excellent ground clearance
Constant 4x4, Centre difflock, heavy duty + upgradable driveline.
Excellent low range gearing
Boxy shape - practical load carrying
Robust Practical materials + Hose out interior
Excellent four corner visibility off road
Huge aftermarket parts network
live axles
16" wheels
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One of the most iconic design of all time.

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....I think maybe you should expand your list a bit,
Maybe include the followings:

-Full float rear axle

-Front CV, in stead of U joints on a wrangler

-Ease of maintenance that is you can replac e all wheel bearings roadside without a press. Transfer box and gearbox can be pulled out on driveway solo for 8 hours..

-Rear suspension using A frame, one of the best

-Front suspension so-so radius arm will bind

-Also finally the best thing is defender's narrow body and "commanding" sitting position, (as stated by Land Rover

-Handbrake will make sure driver awake .
-B pillar will remind driver to keep fit.

-And also owning a defender will turn owner into a mechanic. I never would have imagined myself fixing a truck before having this thing but now I can change rotors, wheels bearing, install diff locks and rebuild transfer box...(following manuals...Change fuel tank...

Had I bought a Toyota, I probably wouldn't have lifted the bonnet.....


Cheers
Martin

When I bought a d2 18 years ago, I joined the local Landy club and couldn’t work out why all those bearded blokes raved on about defenders, what could be so good about them.
Then I owned one, and found out.
It had something.
I sat in a 2016 model last weekend and it felt so right it was uncanny

The Cook doesn't care what I say or anyone says, she reckons the Defender is best and that's it! We've had 3 of them and she's never driven one of them..... but does sometimes get behind the wheel of the D4.
So how she can be so adamant about how good the things are I don't know. :)
Now I've had 3 calls from sharks about having it on consignment but no way until a bloke from the country has seen it his weekend. He's a Landie man from years back and likes what he's seen in the advs. and what I've told him and I'd rather flog it to someone who's enthusiastic than some greasy slime ball........
Hopefully the Cook doesn't carry out some of her threats once it's gone..... :(
AlanH.

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Originally Posted by Zeros

Yup, or you could get a Ssangyong Musso. [thumbsupbig][bigwhistle] Whatevs.

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I was replying to ozscotts post about what you can do with a defender you can do with a d2, same with a d1/rrc.

Not sure what you are talking about though.

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Yep good point. I use an instant up Coleman Gold and stretchers with self inflators and my boys and I did the far North in comfort with very quick set up and pack up times. Cheers

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Yep. The whole discussion is pointless, really, as it's horses for courses, and my needs differ from yours. I wish I could keep my D2 and do what it is I want to do. It would be cheaper, as you say. But, I will probably be living in what I get. No way my D2 is OK for that.