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the defender is better in some ways:Quote:
Originally Posted by Babs
Better for modification, better for panel replacement, better approach and departure angles, lighter, better load carrying capacity, better interior tolerance to dirt, a customisable choice of wheelbases makes it better for many working applications.
My personal opinion:
Better looking, better history, better class, better offroad 4x4
It's not nostalgia. It's the lure of the defender.
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Originally Posted by MrLandy
Ha ha ha 😀 don't get me started, I could contradict most points on that list, then triple the list for the Cons. Albeit I drive one and yes they are special in their own way.
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:) you could try....but then we'd just go in circles because the pros outweigh the cons by far I reckon :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Babs
Pro's and cons, it's all outweighed by the feeling of driving one.
Except one bloody rattle that drives me nuts :censored:
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Originally Posted by MrLandy
Strange...
If comparing in stock form the D4 has better articulation.
A D4 has a stronger chassis/body frame combo
A D4 has Better fuel economy
A D4 has a better seating position
A D4 has better useable space - try getting a fridge sized box through the back of a Defender
A Defender has 16 x 7 [emoji6]
Designed by a poor (at the time) company desperate to save itself using what it had lying around
Both are individual in design
Other than that, it comes down to what you like [emoji48]
Thanks Tombie, just what I meant when I said don't get me started, I just couldn't have been bothered with writing out all the bad points of a Defender and all the Pro's of a D4 and 200 Series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
It's definitely not the refinement of a Defender as to why we drive them ha ha ha 😀
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True. But nothing wrong with either. That's why we have a set [emoji41]
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Yep as I said, we can go around in circles all day, because it's horses for courses, differing priorities, differing budgets, differing needs, differing experiences.
Vive la differance!
But Defender is better :p and was always under priced (thank goodness, because it's not now!).
I liked the Disco when I sat in it at the dealers, but I cant imagine churning through muddy paddocks and climbing into it covered in mud. The defender though is made to be hosed out..
I also like the simplicity of the Defender, the star trek like dash on the Disco is great, but just how many gremlins down the track are waiting to bite you on the butt when the car is a bit older?
Then there is mechanical's, if the motor ever needs removing on the Disco is is serious stuff, not so on the Defender. How much does it cost to refurb the suspension on the Disco? Scary money!!! Disco is a great car, but you dont want to break anything out of warranty..
Chris
What's the point of stronger chassis/frame combo if you can't load anything onto it. With defender you can look at 90,110,130 chassis and body options for something suitable. Sure the frame/body makes the d4 better for crashing but the defender has hit cool status and ancap ratings is not a cool way to decide on a vehicle. I don't like that it's become 'cool' but it's certainly contributing to the price hike. D4 is a family car that is exciting compared to a ford focus but utterly boring when compared to a defender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
D4 does not articulate well, it crosses obstacles like a plank in comparison to defender. Which I'll admit seems to work well. The front wheel travel is virtually non existent. Defender articulation can by far exceed a d4. The modifications and possibilities are what makes the defender so much more interesting, the potential to be much more capable and now that it's exclusive , a lot more desirable.
Better seating position, subjective. I love the defender position but then I'm not huge like Odo (Ol d door!). My girlfriend can't drive it though because there is not enough seat and steering wheel adjustment for a hobbit. Like a fighter jet, you gotta be in the right size bracket to pilot a defender :) So to surmise, d4 has better driving position for huge/rotund/midget people which is great for sales. I jest! 😂 Note to self: less burgers.
Not better usable space. Consider a 130 tray back. Consider a d4 has a tiny rear load space and 75kg roof rack limit.
Fuel economy... the defender has always been good at that compared to other 4x4s. Especially considering its got the aerodynamics of a brick. Its not an issue for defender sales.