Defenders on "Car Sales."

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Well said Tombie. $50k new is about the mark and paying over that for a used one is madness.

Cheers

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Hey Ozscott, I'm curious, would you say the same about a Toyota 70 series? Only worth $50K? I would.

I reckon Landcruisers have always been overpriced, but the market doesn't seem to think so. ...If it's the market that determines prices, the upward correction in Defender prices shouldn't really be any surprise. Compared to a 70 series, Defender always looked like a bargain to me considering they are a superior vehicle in many ways. Which is why I went into debt to buy one for $50K before end of production. ...now second hand, 70 series and Defenders are about on par pricewise. And if you want a heavy duty 4x4 the choice is limited. I don't think either are 'worth' $80k, but that seems to be what the market is saying for immaculate, low km examples.

I very much doubt the next Defender will be only $50K. But then I guess if it's lighter duty and competing with Hilux it might be. Either way, the last of the current Defenders will continue to hold their value IMO. Time will tell.

Probably. The seats in the cruiser are awful and prone to collapse. They ride hard. They are not as good off-road as a Defender when stock. Tough though.

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Probably. The seats in the cruiser are awful and prone to collapse. They ride hard. They are not as good off-road as a Defender when stock. Tough though.

Cheers

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Agreed. They are also not as good on road as a Puma Defender with four coils, they remain more agricultural, louder, more expensive to repair, part time 4x4, etc. The only advantages of a 70 series over Defender IMO are airbags and bigger engine if you need it (offset by fuel consumption). I value the smaller engine / better economy more highly. Tough yes, to a point, but they really rust, I've seen many fail mechanically in the desert (gearbox, diff and even engine mounts on one less than a year old! And a lower % are still on the road 20 years later.

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Originally Posted by Zeros

Agreed. They are also not as good on road as a Puma Defender with four coils, they remain more agricultural, louder, more expensive to repair, part time 4x4, etc. The only advantages of a 70 series over Defender IMO are airbags and bigger engine if you need it (offset by fuel consumption). I value the smaller engine / better economy more highly. Tough yes, to a point, but they really rust, I've seen many fail mechanically in the desert (gearbox, diff and even engine mounts on one less than a year old! And a lower % are still on the road 20 years later.

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And there is more cabin space in the cruiser than the defender.

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Originally Posted by Vern

And there is more cabin space in the cruiser than the defender.

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Yes Toyota can be better for larger/ taller drivers, but load space is less in 76 wagon, while load space in a troopy is larger, but more difficult to access without side doors.

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Originally Posted by Zeros

Yes Toyota can be better for larger/ taller drivers, but load space is less in 76 wagon, while load space in a troopy is larger, but more difficult to access without side doors.

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Load space isn't really the issue if you can't even fit in the car. I have tried to sit in a few pumas, i can barely get in at 6'5", would hate to have to do that every day, i would have to move the seat back, then there is even less room for my family, sucha bad design imho. This is the reason i will never get a defender, being comfortable is the first priority.

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Originally Posted by Vern

Load space isn't really the issue if you can't even fit in the car. I have tried to sit in a few pumas, i can barely get in at 6'5", would hate to have to do that every day, i would have to move the seat back, then there is even less room for my family, sucha bad design imho. This is the reason i will never get a defender, being comfortable is the first priority.

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Yup if I was 6'5" I wouldn't buy a Defender either! Cheers!

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Originally Posted by Greg4427

Rumour from Defender2 (UK) forum that JLR have cleared the decks at that time for a big announcement. The new Defender is already undergoing testing in disguise under other bodies and is reportably due to be in production for 2019. The word is that April will see the release of information regarding the new Defender [smilebigeye].

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People have been waxing lyrical about the "new" defender since well before production ceased.
Not one post in this forum about "the new defender"... not one... has been sourced from JLR and JLR have not released one item of information about a new model.
When that occurs I will stop contradicting posts , sorry but I want facts from JLR not rumours. If we took rumour and innuendo out of this forum it would only be half the size.

Yep and if you need a dc ute the only options are 130's or 75 series tojos. The 75 is ridiculously overpriced and I met 10 owners with the Toyota v8 having injector issues - 2 of those had replaced injectors twice as have my mates with hiluxes. The 75 suspension is tough but rustic and the cars as a whole are not what they used to be I think.

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Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

People have been waxing lyrical about the "new" defender since well before production ceased.
Not one post in this forum about "the new defender"... not one... has been sourced from JLR and JLR have not released one item of information about a new model.
When that occurs I will stop contradicting posts , sorry but I want facts from JLR not rumours. If we took rumour and innuendo out of this forum it would only be half the size.

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Any jlr are members of this forum?
I was told by someone that works for jlr that its release is 2019. They also told me a few other things but i will wait and see if that eventuates.