Popcorn anybody?
I’m fascinated by the bias towards Tojo 70 series over Defender by the majority.
Second hand they’re now a very similar price. Both are the last of the live axle 4x4’s. Who can afford a new Tojo? So what gives in the second hand market?
Both have their issues with driveline. Defender rear wheel track and springs are better. Engines are both modern efficient diesels, with a clear choice between power and economy.
Im curious...
- How many Tojo owners have moved over to Defender?
- How many Defender owners have defected to 70 series?
Popcorn anybody?
+ 2016 D4 TDV6
Why would anyone buy a vehicle which needs its rear suspension replaced to be capable?
Its pretty easy really, I've got a mate that just bought a brand new 70 series, he just wanted one, he was happy to pay more than it was worth just so he could enjoy the lack of features on offer from "the company that gives you less"
He also likes the lack of power, poor handling, poor economy, lack of tow ability when loaded, the unavailability of a warranty satisfying 3500 kg towbar.
He also appreciated it when after he had agreed to buy it that they then told him he couldn't put any aftermarket gear as it would void the warranty, which they assured him he would need, as they guaranteed he would need at least a clutch and pressure plate shortly (they provided this information before it left the showroom) so it would definitely be worth having the warranty. He also likes the lack of performance off road in Sandy conditions, with the tried and true Toyota patented "rear axle tricycle feature".
All this in mind,I think people like the second hand ones as:
1, there is no warranty issues
2, most of them have now had $30 k worth of accessories fitted,
3, because of the excessive value of the accessories fitted, they usually hold their resale value really well, usually commanding a 2nd hand price of only $25-$30 k less than when new.
(of course you need to ignore the $$ spent on the accessories for this to seem alluring)
So really, IT'S A NO BRAINER
actually, I'm thinking of getting one......
Boy, that really got away from me...sorry
I know one guy that switched a few years ago from an 2006 Defer to a new 70 series single cab.
From my last chat with him he wished he’d done it sooner........
Over three of ownership he hasn’t had a mechanical issue....he say the narrow wheel truck isn’t an issue on sand but does find it doesn’t like high speed on dirt roads where it’s slight lower where the wheels run......he’s done a big chunk of Aus without having to worry about mechanicals.....he doesn’t get a wet right foot and there were a bunch of other thing. Pretty sure his is stock including OEM suspension.
If they ever announce they are stopping production of the troopie I will be thinking hard about upgrading for our overland trip.
While I love my defender I also keep my options open......and the troopie would also suit our needs........don’t get why some get sooooo wound up about defender v troopie.
Hey Weeds, I’m not wound up at all, just fascinated that so many people want a Tojo, when The Defender is so much better. ...I can’t work it out!
Have you driven many troopies? You would give up your orange beast poptop for a troopie??
Nope never driven a troopie........apart from defender all other cars I have purchased I’d never driven one prior....the one brand new car I brought in the 90’s I didn’t even take one for a test drive, much to the amazement of the salesman.
The defender is a niche market in Aus.....not many around, there’re over priced and there are pros and cons with both......and we are on a Land Rover forum so any comment about even having thoughts of a Toyota members ask why. Do different if the same question was asked on a Toyota forum.
You are in the very pro defender corner....I’m not....I.e. you say the defender is way better others think different, it’s the way it is.
I don’t think the numbers would stack up for me changing over....could equate to as much as six to twelve months or more on the road.
No bias here. The reason I’m in the pro Defender corner is that I’ve also driven troopies for years for work. ..suffice to say it’s a big part of the reason why I own a Defender.
Toyotas have been over priced for decades. Defenders have only recently caught up.
If you drive a Troopie for any distance and like it more than your Defender I’d be very surprised.
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