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    Quote Originally Posted by knodes85 View Post
    Chenz - I haven't got any further info floating around - but this thread is on the topic if you haven't had a chance to remedy this yet.
    Thanks for the info.

    It has not done it for weeks and then yesterday it did it in the morning and then for the rest of the day at the farm starting and stopping all day no problem.

    Reading that post you gave me link for had my head spinning. They all seemed to have tried a number of fixers from ignition barrel - done that, check relay and fuse connections - done that, checked Nanocom fault codes - nothing. I have not tried to bypass the immobilizer and would probably get my Landy guy to do something like that. Even he is scratching his head.

    Want to get it sorted before heading out into Woop Woop. Don't want to get stuck in the middle of nowhere with a Landy that won't start.
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    Well after consulting a few Landy mechanical firms in Sydney and interstate the consensus was that after all my troubleshooting and doing all the things that have been suggested the problem persists and is happening more frequently and so it would appear it is an Immobilizer problem. They told me that it was a dealer issue and they could not fix this.

    So off I go to a reputable Land Rover Dealer who for the time being shall remain nameless and who after a $220 fee analyse the problem in these words:


    Checked and confirmed that vehicle stalls on startup
    Vehicle immobilizer light not flashing when the key turns ignition on
    Turn key immobilizer light staying solid amber
    Connect diagnostic computer and read fault codes
    Found vehicle immobilizer module not responding
    Carried out vehicle immobilization test found vehicle passive immobilization test failed three times
    Vehicle module corrupted
    Vehicle immobilizer module no longer sold
    Vehicle requires new ALM security system


    They tell me the parts have to come from England and could take 3 weeks. I told them I was not happy as this is clearly a design fault and the fact that they do not make the original part, which I have been told was around $600 and now I am going to get charged $1,667 for parts and a further $1,760 for labour making a total of $3,427 sticks in my craw.

    Is it worth me writing to Land Rover and having a big sook about this? If so who do I sick the teeth into?

    I am aware that parts cost money but this sounds like a blatant rip-off. One the other side, you can't be up the Colson track and the EDJITMobile won't start. As I said I don't expect it to be fixed for nothing although a clear design fault should be covered in some way shape or form.
    Chenz
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    Edjitmobile - 2008 130 Defender

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenz View Post
    Well after consulting a few Landy mechanical firms in Sydney and interstate the consensus was that after all my troubleshooting and doing all the things that have been suggested the problem persists and is happening more frequently and so it would appear it is an Immobilizer problem. They told me that it was a dealer issue and they could not fix this.

    So off I go to a reputable Land Rover Dealer who for the time being shall remain nameless and who after a $220 fee analyse the problem in these words:


    Checked and confirmed that vehicle stalls on startup
    Vehicle immobilizer light not flashing when the key turns ignition on
    Turn key immobilizer light staying solid amber
    Connect diagnostic computer and read fault codes
    Found vehicle immobilizer module not responding
    Carried out vehicle immobilization test found vehicle passive immobilization test failed three times
    Vehicle module corrupted
    Vehicle immobilizer module no longer sold
    Vehicle requires new ALM security system


    They tell me the parts have to come from England and could take 3 weeks. I told them I was not happy as this is clearly a design fault and the fact that they do not make the original part, which I have been told was around $600 and now I am going to get charged $1,667 for parts and a further $1,760 for labour making a total of $3,427 sticks in my craw.

    Is it worth me writing to Land Rover and having a big sook about this? If so who do I sick the teeth into?

    I am aware that parts cost money but this sounds like a blatant rip-off. One the other side, you can't be up the Colson track and the EDJITMobile won't start. As I said I don't expect it to be fixed for nothing although a clear design fault should be covered in some way shape or form.
    How did this go?

    You may already have solved this, and perhaps you know this information as well
    • IT's possible to have the ECU remapped to not use the immobilizer
    • There are plug in modules that replace the 10AS module, someone in Germany makes them, you end them some details and they program their little black box and send it to you.


    The new ALM module is based around a new CPU as the original was no longer made, it's plug compatible. Also as far as I know this specific module is ONLY used in these replacement scenarios, it's not been used on production models, so therefore the cost is higher because it's effedctively a custom module.
    I believe you end up with new remotes. If anyone has gone down this path, have you been able to source remotes from other model vehicles, or are these new plips specific to the ALM Module in a defender?

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    I have gone down the path and replace the 10as with the new one....
    The key fob was replaced as well.


    Somehow the range has increased.to around 50m.....

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