Thread: Do you now view your current Land Rover differently?

Aluminium rivets don't rust.

And where do we find these parts from railway sleepers?

All body panels can become mis-aligned, I'd rather have ones that are easier to replace.

In short - my answer is no.

Originally Posted by NT5224

Hi Folks!

Now we have emerged from the swirl of carefully orchestrated hype surrounding the launch of the 'L663', does this glimpse into the future change the way you feel about your existing Land Rover?

To be fair to JLR, I guess we should wait for an independent review from somebody who has actually driven the vehicle before drawing firm conclusions.

But one thing is already clear. After all the months of wishful speculation, the new model is very different from our current Land Rovers, and despite all the talk of 'shared DNA', is an essentially different design concept, targeting an entirely different functional purpose and customer base.

Surprisingly, this new functional purpose and customer base would appear to be the same one as for all the other vehicles in the current JLR lineup, and it so it looks very similar to the rest of them...

So now we have glimpsed Mr McGovern's vision for the future of the brand, does this change how we view our coil springs, beam axles and steel chassis welded from railway sleepers? What about those rusting rivets and misaligned body panels?

Alan

Hmm.... We have the Range Rover, the Range Rover Sport, Range Rover Velar, Range Rover Evoque, Discovery Five and Discovery Sport. Do you really think that the L663 looks like any of those? Seriously? That's like the bloke I worked with once who told me the BA Falcon was identical to the VY Commodore.

Anyway, you asked a question, and I'm with manic.. in short, no. However, the L663 is to me far more interesting than any of the current RR or Disco lineup. I've said before that I consider it to be the spiritual successor to the D4, and viewed through that lens I consider it to be brilliant on first appearances. Can it replace my SIII cab tray? Of course not. Can it replace my D2? Absolutely, if I could afford it. But it might make D4s more affordable.

I think we have to get over the old Deefer in terms of new cars. If you need that then the LC 7x series would seem to be the only choice now. How long Toyota struggles along keeping them relevant is unknown, but I doubt it will bee too much longer. Safety regs will get 'em.

nope,

its elegantly utilitarian, everything does everything it needs to do and nothing more, no frills, everything that needs to be gotten to can be, everything that cant be doesnt need to be. It never "Just stops" and is brutally tolerant of some of the harshest treatment. It lets you know when you're asking too much and if you listen it tells you how much it can handle but it doesnt quit it keeps trying till you drive it to a stop. Ignore her and she'll punish you, pay the slightest attention and the rewards can be great.

There are no compromises or negotiations with real metal where it counts and no plastic to hide what counts, you know where it is because it has 4 corners that are actual corners, no dips, sashaying sways or curves out of the drivers line of site and the 4 corners can be seen without moving your head, just your eyes to glance at the mirrors.

It doesn't coddle mistakes when driving theres nothing to help you, no safety cushion to keep you safe if you screw it up The vehicle takes no responsibility and makes no compensations for your inadequacies as the driver in your duties of keeping within the natural limits of man and machine. It shows you for who you really are without remorse.

it is Simple and Honest, beautifully and wickedly so.

I view mine the same as always. Favourably

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

nope,

its elegantly utilitarian, everything does everything it needs to do and nothing more, no frills, everything that needs to be gotten to can be, everything that cant be doesnt need to be. It never "Just stops" and is brutally tolerant of some of the harshest treatment. It lets you know when you're asking too much and if you listen it tells you how much it can handle but it doesnt quit it keeps trying till you drive it to a stop. Ignore her and she'll punish you, pay the slightest attention and the rewards can be great.

There are no compromises or negotiations with real metal where it counts and no plastic to hide what counts, you know where it is because it has 4 corners that are actual corners, no dips, sashaying sways or curves out of the drivers line of site and the 4 corners can be seen without moving your head, just your eyes to glance at the mirrors.

It doesn't coddle mistakes when driving theres nothing to help you, no safety cushion to keep you safe if you screw it up The vehicle takes no responsibility and makes no compensations for your inadequacies as the driver in your duties of keeping within the natural limits of man and machine. It shows you for who you really are without remorse.

it is Simple and Honest, beautifully and wickedly so.

Anyone else gettin' a little misty?? haha! Made me think of Serenity and Mal's final thought on flying an old ship with a soul:

Mal: It ain't all buttons and charts, little albatross. You know what the first rule of flying is? Well, I suppose you do, since you already know what I'm about to say.
River: I do. But I like to hear you say it.
Mal: Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take a boat in the air that you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turnin' o' the worlds. Love keeps her in the air when she ought to fall down. Tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

I think my Puma re-sale value is a bit more now than it was a year ago...

not that that matters, I plan on driving this thing until I can't climb up into it anymore.


Loverly words Blknight.aus, exactly how I feel about it.

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

nope,

its elegantly utilitarian, everything does everything it needs to do and nothing more, no frills, everything that needs to be gotten to can be, everything that cant be doesnt need to be. It never "Just stops" and is brutally tolerant of some of the harshest treatment. It lets you know when you're asking too much and if you listen it tells you how much it can handle but it doesnt quit it keeps trying till you drive it to a stop. Ignore her and she'll punish you, pay the slightest attention and the rewards can be great.

There are no compromises or negotiations with real metal where it counts and no plastic to hide what counts, you know where it is because it has 4 corners that are actual corners, no dips, sashaying sways or curves out of the drivers line of site and the 4 corners can be seen without moving your head, just your eyes to glance at the mirrors.

It doesn't coddle mistakes when driving theres nothing to help you, no safety cushion to keep you safe if you screw it up The vehicle takes no responsibility and makes no compensations for your inadequacies as the driver in your duties of keeping within the natural limits of man and machine. It shows you for who you really are without remorse.

it is Simple and Honest, beautifully and wickedly so.

Waxing lyrical there Dave but beautifully said. I think it needs a name...suggest "Ode to the Defender" (Deefer sounded a bit coarse with those elegant words).

Originally Posted by NT5224

Hi Folks!

Now we have emerged from the swirl of carefully orchestrated hype surrounding the launch of the 'L663', does this glimpse into the future change the way you feel about your existing Land Rover?

Yes. No.

No, because I have always liked it for lots of reasons which still exist and, well, er, I like it.

Yes, because the "thing" that made a Series One....right up to a Puma the sort of object (being?) that causes discussions like this one is not an inherent quality of the new and essentially unrelated vehicle. That thing is/was unique and nobody is making any more thing now. The thing is finished, it's a thing that stopped being a current thing in 2016 and the thing is that whether we like it or not the thing is a thing of the past now and things change, even if the thing never did right until the end and now the thing is gone and those of us who still have a thing for the thing probably love that thing more than ever. I hope I'm making myself clear.