Who else is going over to the dark side?

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Originally Posted by TerryO

Not that I’m a fan of either to be frank, if I was going to buy a crew cab I’d more than likely get the VW Amarok

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A good few mates had these,and they have moved them on pretty quickly.Same as their vans.
Used as a work vehicle,they dont take long to fall apart.One had his for 5 yrs,the only thing that wasnt repaired was the engine.
Door handles break,dash falls apart,drive train repairs,and on it goes.

They are also decades behind the others with safety gear.

For private use they may be fine,but used for work,loaded,all day,every day,from what i have seen,they dont cut it.

As i have said on here before,having run a fleet of commercial vehicles of different brands, for many years,there is only one brand that we have had that will continually do over 300 000Km,with out a single repair,and thats the one with the T on the front.
There is a reason they are a top seller,particularly in the LV commercial market.

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Originally Posted by TerryO

carsales.com.au

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Thanks for that link TerryO. Interesting to read the performance figure comparison. The hilux makes the same power and more torque than the big V8.Attachment 173060

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Originally Posted by scarry

A good few mates had these,and they have moved them on pretty quickly.Same as their vans.
Used as a work vehicle,they dont take long to fall apart.One had his for 5 yrs,the only thing that wasnt repaired was the engine.
Door handles break,dash falls apart,drive train repairs,and on it goes.

They are also decades behind the others with safety gear.

For private use they may be fine,but used for work,loaded,all day,every day,from what i have seen,they dont cut it.

As i have said on here before,having run a fleet of commercial vehicles of different brands, for many years,there is only one brand that we have had that will continually do over 300 000Km,with out a single repair,and thats the one with the T on the front.
There is a reason they are a top seller,particularly in the LV commercial market.

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Thanks for destroying my interest in a Amorak. Ever wonder why and how the Japanese for so long have been making very reliable and well priced products, when the most of Asia is known for making not so reliable and poorly made gear?

Well we can all blame it on a gentlemen whose name was W. Edwards Demming. I remember reading about him forty odd years ago, interesting what he was able to achieve in Japan, he has been considered a hero by Japanese industry since soon after WW2.

In major part if it wasn’t for him you might be now telling me my choice was a good one and how VW is the best of a useless bunch. … [bigwhistle]

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Originally Posted by TerryO

Thanks for destroying my interest in a Amorak. Ever wonder why and how the Japanese for so long have been making very reliable and well priced products, when the most of Asia is known for making not so reliable and poorly made gear?

Well we can all blame it on a gentlemen whose name was W. Edwards Demming. I remember reading about him forty odd years ago, interesting what he was able to achieve in Japan, he has been considered a hero by Japanese industry since soon after WW2.

In major part if it wasn’t for him you might be now telling me my choice was a good one and how VW is the best of a useless bunch. … [bigwhistle]

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Sorry to wreck the party,it is only my experience,but i could be totally wrong[bighmmm][biggrin]

The Japs were the great copiers years ago just after the war,and their aim was to produce the most reliable vehicles,but be conservative at the same time.

They still do that today,put reliability and ease of maintenance,where possible, ahead of complicated technology.

The Koreans are actually now copying the Japs,have been for quite a few years,and are going ahead in leaps and bounds.

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Originally Posted by scarry

They still do that today,put reliability and ease of maintenance,where possible, ahead of complicated technology.

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I've got a Pajero with 154,000 kms that would agree with you Scarry. Not one thing has needed repair.

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Originally Posted by scarry

Sorry to wreck the party,it is only my experience,but i could be totally wrong[bighmmm][biggrin]

The Japs were the great copiers years ago just after the war,and their aim was to produce the most reliable vehicles,but be conservative at the same time.

They still do that today,put reliability and ease of maintenance,where possible, ahead of complicated technology.

The Koreans are actually now copying the Japs,have been for quite a few years,and are going ahead in leaps and bounds.

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I'll add that with a story that was told to me when I worked for the construction company Thiess.

At the time of the Snowy Mountains Scheme construction, Leslie Thiess who was doing some of the civil work was looking for a rugged vehicle that could move around from site to site. He was having problems with the Land Rovers that were breaking and there was very little support available for servicing and repairs. He was approached by Toyota who offered to not only supply him with its vehicles but also Toyota engineers to support those in the field. Of course, the spin-off for Toyota was an on-the-ground experience to feedback into its design and manufacturing. So was born the first Toyota dealership: Thiess Toyota. It became the working vehicle of choice because the dealership and its service were spread throughout the country.

So where was Land Rover?....crickets I hear.

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Originally Posted by scarry

A good few mates had these,and they have moved them on pretty quickly.Same as their vans.
Used as a work vehicle,they dont take long to fall apart.One had his for 5 yrs,the only thing that wasnt repaired was the engine.
Door handles break,dash falls apart,drive train repairs,and on it goes.

They are also decades behind the others with safety gear.

For private use they may be fine,but used for work,loaded,all day,every day,from what i have seen,they dont cut it.

As i have said on here before,having run a fleet of commercial vehicles of different brands, for many years,there is only one brand that we have had that will continually do over 300 000Km,with out a single repair,and thats the one with the T on the front.
There is a reason they are a top seller,particularly in the LV commercial market.

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My experience as an actual amarok owner of around 6 years, is i never had to lay a spanner on it, only thing that ever let it down, was the traxide sc80 which tim replaced. Same goes for our Passat, and my T5 transporter. Actually thats a lie, the transporter once had a weeping shock, replace no questions asked by vw.

Anyway, back to the topic on hand, yes, i went to the darkside, and purchased a new y62 in 2018, now done just shy of 100kkm, and not one issue at all. Reason for going to nissan over rover, was all the issues i read on here. Autos, cranks, turbos, electronics etc....my anxiety levels would be through the roof in anticipation of if/when something will break.

Was talking to a friend the other day who has an auto Amarok with that low first gear, but no 4WD, which is OK as he uses it for mostly light duties. Apparently it has been brilliant for him, apart for the one time he got it really stuck and needed the extra torque of a low range box so had to get snatched out.

As an aside, I saved this from a magazine a couple of years ago.

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Originally Posted by TerryO

Thanks for destroying my interest in a Amorak. Ever wonder why and how the Japanese for so long have been making very reliable and well priced products, when the most of Asia is known for making not so reliable and poorly made gear? Well we can all blame it on a gentlemen whose name was W. Edwards Demming. I remember reading about him forty odd years ago, interesting what he was able to achieve in Japan, he has been considered a hero by Japanese industry since soon after WW2. [bigwhistle]

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That's not exactly correct .... the Japanese wanted to improve their quality and asked Deming for assistance - he didn't force them on the country unilaterally.

"While in Japan, his expertise in quality-control techniques, combined with his involvement in Japanese society, brought him an invitation from the Union of Japanese Scientists and Engineers (JUSE).
JUSE members had studied Shewhart's techniques, and as part of Japan's reconstruction efforts, they sought an expert to teach statistical control."

W. Edwards Deming - Wikipedia