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    110 towing capacity - no where near 3500kg

    Well for us anyways………max. towing at the moment would lucky to be a 750kg I braked trailer.

    Now we are in touring mode as we are on the big lap but I had to relocate a car just prior to leaving and I also rolled over a weight bridge.

    I’ll work on using the 10% rule, to make sums easier……and yes there are a few other small variance across the axles when tow ball weight is applied.

    Weigh in, included fuel, water, food, and everything else you take for 18 months on the road, only weight kissing was the wife.

    1300kg Front Axle (allowed 1430)
    1840kg Rear Axle ( allowed 1925)
    3140kg Total


    Back to used ye olde 10% rule I only have 85kg up my sleeve on the rear axle. So maybe a trailer with total weight around 850kg.

    If I include the wife in the numbers it’s even worse, I’don the limits with a trailer weighing 500kg

    Sooooo good thing the trailer I hooked up only had a tow ball weight of 85kg 110 towing capacity - no where near 3500kg as it was just me in the car.

    How much can you defer actually tow legally??




    Those with a keen eye will probably think I’m already illegal based on my total weight as 110’s have a GVM of 3050kg……I have a 10% GVM upgrade

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    When towing especially a van or campertrailer, is to load up the van and keep weight out of the tug. However it is always advisable that the Tug weighs more than the van, so the tail does not wag the dog. So maybe some items in the car need to be transferred to the van?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirvine View Post
    When towing especially a van or campertrailer, is to load up the van and keep weight out of the tug. However it is always advisable that the Tug weighs more than the van, so the tail does not wag the dog. So maybe some items in the car need to be transferred to the van?
    We ain’t towing for our lap…….

    I was more pointing out in our current touring trim we pretty much cannot tow……

    Apart from a loaded car trailer with just 85kg TBW 110 towing capacity - no where near 3500kg

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    As I said too much "stuff" in the car. Simple. What you are trying to do you need a proper truck type vehicle. For what you are wanting to achieve no "normal" 4wd Ute or passenger type vehicle is fit for that purpose. FWIW they can tow 3.5t in as such a van or campertrailer, even though they say in the ads they can tow anything that is 3.5T, which to some extent you have proved otherwise. Perhaps get a Unimog, that will tow what you want!
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    I don't know how enforceable by law the 10% rule is, you may get away with it unless you had an accident, then you would probably have no insurance.

    I'm not even sure how good an idea the 10% is, certainly an amount of weight on the towbar is required, the important thing in my mind would be that whatever was Being towed couldn't have a big balance change between front and rear when you are driving... As that would be a big problem, you could lose all traction on the back axle of the tow vehicle.... And end up driving straight to the scene of the accident.


    A lot smarter heads than mine would have come up with the 10% I think..I hope..

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    10% isn't a law or rule, and in my opinion is a load of rubbish despite the number of people who support this. 350kg on the towball in my opinion totally messes up the handling, stability and braking of the vehicle, not to mention the problems with night driving that it creates. Personally I look for just a small amount of drop at the rear of the tow vehicle and for me that has been the best setup in my experiences. You need to be careful with how the weight in the trailer is loaded and where it goes in order for it to be stable, but I don't believe that ball weight is in any way an answer to generating stability of the trailer. In terms of how much can you tow legally, that is determined by the manufacturer and the towball rating, not the ball weight.

    Disco - 4000kg towing, 120kg max ball weight - in practice it is 3500kg due to common use of a 50mm towball.
    Disco2 - 3500kg towing, 250kg max ball weight
    Disco Sport - 2200kg towing, 150kg max ball weight
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    Depending on the variant of the defender you have and the tow pack you have fitted,

    roughly

    3500 if you have abs
    4000-4500 depending on which tow pack you have fitted.

    Unlike the discovery the defender does not list a ball weight included in the vehicle loading and has a reccomended towball load of 75kg for the pre 99s and 150kg for the post 99's (from the rave copy of the UH
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    Our caravan weighs 1880kg empty according to the manufacturer, so I estimate loaded its about 2.4 tonne, which I must get checked.
    I can say the towball weight is exactly 203kg loaded as I have a towball weight scale.
    The 110, with rear airbags, handles it fine.
    I have the electric brakes set to brake the van harder than the vehicle, for stability.
    The 110 has, from memory, a payload of about 980kg and we are well under that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slunnie View Post
    10% isn't a law or rule, and in my opinion is a load of rubbish despite the number of people who support this. 350kg on the towball in my opinion totally messes up the handling, stability and braking of the vehicle, not to mention the problems with night driving that it creates. Personally I look for just a small amount of drop at the rear of the tow vehicle and for me that has been the best setup in my experiences. You need to be careful with how the weight in the trailer is loaded and where it goes in order for it to be stable, but I don't believe that ball weight is in any way an answer to generating stability of the trailer. In terms of how much can you tow legally, that is determined by the manufacturer and the towball rating, not the ball weight.

    Disco - 4000kg towing, 120kg max ball weight - in practice it is 3500kg due to common use of a 50mm towball.
    Disco2 - 3500kg towing, 250kg max ball weight
    Disco Sport - 2200kg towing, 150kg max ball weight

    Totally agree.

    10% is a fear/selling ruse by aftermarket people to sell stuff.
    And by van manufacturers that cant control their weight distribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirvine View Post
    What you are trying to do you need a proper truck type vehicle. For what you are wanting to achieve no "normal" 4wd Ute or passenger type vehicle is fit for that purpose.
    There are many LC200's,and y62's running around at that sort of weight with a couple of mods and almost empty.

    And a few D3/4 owners probably not far off as well.

    They will still pull a 3T van no worries at all.

    Not trying to open a can of worms,just saying.
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