Thread: Show us your Deefers !

Originally Posted by AndyG

They made tractors before fast cars, the story goes Mr Ferrari ****ed off Mr Lamborghini, so he said, i will show you .............

Mind you it could be an urban myth

Mr Lamborghini loved Ferraris as well as other marks. how ever his clutch went bang on his GT250. on pulling it apart he found that it was the same clutch he manufactured for his 22hp tractor.

Mr ferrraris, told him to nick off.

there first car was the 350 GTV, v12, chassis and handling was done by a Kiwi - bob wallas.

Originally Posted by cuppabillytea

You learn something new every day.

The first car was not quick enough I'm told. Subsequent ones were built by Lola with Shelby Motors. Is that correct?

no again manufactured mith. a bit like toyota built the snowy river dams.

or this bollocks from wiki "Mk II GT40 provided Ford with the first overall Le Mans victory for an American manufacturer" calling the GT40 and american manufactured car is a joke. pommy / kiwi would be more correct.

the first GT40 was monoque aluminium. the giveawy in wiki is "The first chassis built by Abbey Panels of Coventry was delivered on March 16, 1963.

ABBEY panels, it was built by Mclaren and Hume

the mono chassis and the colotti tranz worked quite well. but there were major disagreements between the imported american directors Lunn and Wyer. in short the Americans wanted bigger better and full monoque while the Expats were hunting lighter.
there was also the arguments over development time, the expats were not keen on having there first outing at Nuremberg. this highlights the lack of racing ecsperiance of the Americans. there was also the requirement for a spear wheel and some luggage space which the expats just exnored.

after there first outing. the expats just walked from the GT40
it was Broadley of Lola who introduced the expats to the ford directors and had provided much advice, but this was exnored as well

then the american turned back to Broadly who built new cars for ford but was not involved in the development, though the Americans did or had to accept the new chassis built by Lola. the ford development program was a mess, so Shelby was brought in to sort it out with Lunn and Wyer being send back to the US.

there is a recorded interview with hume made in the 80s. Hume was very dismissive of Lunn, stating his involvement with a concept midengened car in the states, his non-existent racing experience, domineering personality and complete control of fords money was that he delayed development of the GT40s by at-least 18 months

Carol Shelby was contracted by ford, not because of his car building skill that he is known for, but because he was the only american who has raced euro cars in Europe with some success, this included wining Lemans in 59??

Shelby was very reliant on Mclaren and Broadly. he was able to smooth out the ruffled feathers created by Lunn, just because he was a nice guy and had existing relationships. it is argued that his only contribution was the introduction of the 7ltr, because it was reliable and spending fords money. there is an artical i read many years ago. that to get at more fords money he made a statement to Mr Ford 11. if you want to beet ferarri you need to spend the same money as ferarri had spent --- over the last 30 years. in short he got the money, wind-tunnel testing was a big advantage.

Shelby was no saint. with plenty of fords cash there are rumours that a lot of this cash went into his AC project which he was more interested in running than the GT40 program

nb the first car was crushed