Personally I'd go for a late 300. A Td5 will probably cost you more in the long run. Tdis are so much simpler, and easier and cheaper to maintain.
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Personally I'd go for a late 300. A Td5 will probably cost you more in the long run. Tdis are so much simpler, and easier and cheaper to maintain.
Whats more expensive on them to maintain?Quote:
Originally Posted by wally
The engines are just as bullet proof, apart from the oil in the harness issue, which is fixed for less than $150.00
You will make that up in fuel alone in a few months...
I can not understand why people here are scared of electrics .. from the sounds of his target 4wding, it makes sense to get the more modern engine.
just my 2.2c
Because us simple folk who drive landys can handle the logic of air, spark, fuel, bang engines when they go wrong in the bush. Throw in electrickery and engine mamagement computers that need a laptop download diagnostic program just to tell you what the problem is and we curl up in a ball on the ground and whimper.
Well I've owned 3 Tdis and 2 Td5s. They all have had their own issues but it is my experience that when things go wrong on a Td5 they are expensive. On Tdis it's usually less so. This has nothing to do with electronics by the way. None of my problems were related to electronics. My problems were ABS modules, fuel block leaks, fuel cooler leak, head gasket, oil pump retaining bolt, etc,etc,etc.. cost me a fortune. My other Td5, on the other hand was great. One fuel pump replaced under warranty, otherwise relatively trouble free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameron_Def
Everyone's experiences are different, but as a result of my experiences I won't have another Td5. I'll probably hang on to my Tdi 130 for another 5-10 years and then think about replacing it with a Transit engine 130. In the meantime I'll see how they stack up for problems.
How do you make up $150 in fuel? My Tdis were / are more economical than my Td5s which in my opinion is another advantage.
I have a 2005 TD5 Defender, and love it. Just over 60,000k's on the clock, and only problems have been minor "Lucas Electircs" issues. Nothing to stop me, but some minor annoyances. Have had the wires to the rear of the vehicle pinched between the body, and transmission. This was repaired under warranty, but took a long time to find the problem. Since it has been repaired, the reverse light has stopped working again. Maybe just a globe this time??? The car is noisy at highway speeds, but I also have a full length roof rack on it. Have put in sound insulation, and it has helped heaps. The car is more comfortable on my back than our BMW X5. I can take about 2 hours driving the BMW, before I have to get out and stretch. Last year we did a 5 week trip from Melbourne, to the tip of Cape York, and back. The Defender was amazing on how it handled the trip. From blacktop, to very corrigated dirt roads. Off road it was unstoppable, and a joy to drive. It is also nice to wave to all the other Defender drivers, and mostly get a wave back. People have complained about the Defender turning circle, but it has a narrow body compared to the Nissin, and Toyota. This makes, say the Vic. high country, winding through the trees, an enjoyable drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by nibbsy
As to your questions:
Have had a 3.9 V8 Disco, and the TD5 pulls harder than it did. Much better fuel economy also. The Disco was on LP gas, so cheaper than Diesel, but not much range. I can get about 650k out of a tank fully loaded. No mechanical issues in 60,000k so far, and it has been driven like a 4X4 should.
On long trips, I find the car very comfortable. My wife finds the Air conditioner intrusive in the passenger foot well. She does also complain about the general noise at speed. I personally don't mind the noise.
Not sure if you need to lift the car for 33" tyres. I run 235/85R16 tyres, and have not had any issues. If wider tyres are put on, you might need to put flares on to make them legal. I have seen Jeep CJ flares on the defender, and they look o.k.
As for accessories, you can find anything you want that will fit the Defender, but you might have to buy new, as there are not that many around, and once the car is set up, people don't part with them, or sell them fully loaded.
Well that is all I can think of right now. Good luck in your search.
Cheers,
Ken
I will be howled down for this (as usual). The td5 is good but it does have an electronic component but not really much more than any fuel injected rover. However these electronics rarely fail (except for the injector harness - but this is well known and cheap to fix). They do need correct coolant etc. They have significantly more power than the TDI yet retain economy that is class leading. ;)
However, the most recent TDI is nearly 10 years old now. It's my argument that if you've got the money I'd rather have a much newer td5 vehicle than a 10 year old tdi as the car is not just the engine and there are many items that are wearing in a 10 year old car. This argument is completely lost on most people on this site :eek: :wasntme:
We bought a new td5 defender to invest in it and keep it for the long run. So far so good :)
Nine years young, thank you very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot
And please remember it is rude to mention a ladies age......
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Originally Posted by rick130
How many k's do you think a turbo good for (on either engine) before it is worn out.
I'll be looking for a Defender next year to replace the rangie.
Cheers Hayden
to throw a guess from my experience...
both the tdi and the td5 should easily make 500k Km between rebuilds... HOWEVER...
thats based on imppecable maintenance and stock tune.
the primary +'s and minuses as I read them are
the tdi will need a new timing belt every 80Kkm
new injectors (bout $100 eachish) every 100K Kmish (and valve caps)
valve lash checks EVERY service
new coolant every other year + a radiator clean out (chem flush should usually be enough
BUT
your oil can be cheaper and you only have one generic oil filter to replace
your coolant is cheaper and you can run the Kmart stock if you have to
you dont have to worry about electronic failure or a contaminated harness
you can tow/push start with a dead flat battery if you know how to bypass the electric stop solenoid
you can redo the block and crank.
the TD5
goes further between reccomended oil changes (but thats not my reccomendation
should never have an injector die (the company that makes them reckons that if looked after they are good for 1M Km) which is good as they are about $1400 each
only needs the coolant doing every 5 years or so
BUT
you cant do squidly to the head you toast it your up for a new one ($4K+)
you have to use a high quality oil that costs
you have 2 filters every oil change
you cant tow/push start without a semi functional battery (nominally at less than 10.5v the computer wont work)
as most of the fuel system is in the head you wont find out about a leaking seal until your oil is filling up with diesel which can have entertaining results if your into diesel hand grenades.
theres a myriad of other points that can be made but IMHO the kinds of electrical failure that can stop a td5 can also appear as a mechanical fault in the TDI to do the same thing and repairing either still comes down to "your stuck unless you foresaw it and have the spares to fix it"