Thread: Are these Suitable as Recovery points?

Have no idea about ARB winch bumpers and their recovery points. In the UK we have a Devon 4 x 4 winch bumper on the Disco and on the 110. This is a close up of the eye on the Disco winch bumper



Are the ARB ones constructed the same way? Or are they just welded to the bumper?

If bolted and welded I would say they were recovery points. If just welded to the bumper winch hook retaining eyes.

I will inspect the eyes on my 110 as I assumed that they were recovery eyes but will check it out.

Regards


Brendan

Originally Posted by Scallops

That was the quote from the young kid on the showroom floor - I rang the State manager to confirm their comments and was categorically told - NO - not to be used as recovery points. The manager then contacted Cooper's Plains ARB to instruct them to stop giving customers erroneous info about using the winch hook rings as recovery points.

Heh Dan, I get the feeling he's covering his ass in this world of littigation that we live in. I am just guessing but the costs involved in getting NATA to aprove them as rated points would add a lot to their development costs. So it is probibly a lot easier to recomend another product that has already gone through this process. If you look at the way they are constructed, it is good. I have had some fairly hefty pulls from these points and not one indication of stress at all.

What we need is an engineer to give a "rough" estimate of the breaking point of this thickness flat steel with a pipe welded into it for strength. Then if you put a safety fact of 10 onto the estimate you would get an idea of where we stand. Of course you would also have to look at the sheer point of the bolts holding the bullbar on to ensure it was not less. But then again most other points will be mounted off these same bolts anyway. Know any good engineers????

Tony makes a good point though... The swivel ones look bling

Cheers,

interesting thread, y not just get the local welding guy to weld on some 8mm steel angle or plate to those points and give it more strength?? if you are really worried it will break.

This thread was a good read! i have a TJM bar with these eyes. When i got underneath and had a look there is no welding the eyes are at the end or what appears to be an extension from the Chassie rails to the bull bar. There are a significant amount of bolts.

After reading this thread i have heard yes do it no dont its up to you etc...

So should i go for it use an equaliser strap to spread the load, should i be replacing the bolts with some 8.8 HT?

Cheers James.

Originally Posted by Grover-98

This thread was a good read! i have a TJM bar with these eyes. When i got underneath and had a look there is no welding the eyes are at the end or what appears to be an extension from the Chassie rails to the bull bar. There are a significant amount of bolts.

After reading this thread i have heard yes do it no dont its up to you etc...

So should i go for it use an equaliser strap to spread the load, should i be replacing the bolts with some 8.8 HT?

Cheers James.

My reading of the above then if you have an off direct in line pull then you stand a chance of bending/twisting the recovery eye. Could the recovery eye be welded to the bumper/bar? Would help eliminate the twisting effect.

Using a bridle strap spreads the load between the two eye reduces the loading on each eye. However if I remember triange of forces correctly there will be a inward force between the eyes. So if recovery force is high enough you might bend the long recovery eyes inwards as well.

Regards

Brendan

I've got one of these ARB bars and I asked if they were recovery points and I was told by ARB they'd be fine but a bridle strap would be a good idea. Not worth the aper it is written on, I know.

It's a shonky answer if anything goes wrong but I am satisfied becasue I now have the bridle and don't do the kind of four wheel driving that sees me up to my door handles in mud (sounds fun but I just want my new insurance company to get used to me after my write off). I'd hope not to get seriously stuck. More than likely it will be on a beach somewhere "lightly bogged" if I need to be snatched.

Maybe one day I'll have the car in at ARB getting something done and I'll ask them to chuck some jate rings on while they're down there but until then those hi-lift rings and a bridle will do for me.

PS Leeds the ARB bars that we are talking about are replacement bars. The SOE front bumber is removed and the ARB bar takes its place..