So the PUMA goes back to the garage again tomorrow

Quite a saga. Hope the new engine solves all the problem. But are they extending the warranty appropriately too?

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Originally Posted by dullbird

All we want is a car we car drive...and not have to wait until the afternoon to do so...

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so whilst I hope a new donk fixes it for you - I also hope the rest of us with 'this issue' find solutions as well :D Then we can all enjoy the car we bought!!!

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Originally Posted by dullbird

I'm pretty sure its a software problem as we have had alsorts changed including injectors.....
So technically no a new engine is not going to fix that...BUT there are cars out there that don't have problems like we have..so possibly something else is also at play..maybe tolerances with in the engine who knows.

all I know is hopefully with this new engine we get trouble free driving....this engine could just as easily raise the problem also but hopefully they will find the fix for it by then if it does. remember I have had this problem for 18months now it went from not being able to prove it happened to the dealer...to limp modes that can come sometimes just days apart.

So despite what some people may think that its a common problem and it wont hurt the car we have living proof that the car has in fact gotten significantly worse and to some degree undrivable.

All we want is a car we car drive...and not have to wait until the afternoon to do so...if that means another engine just so we get that for 2 years while they find a fix so be it......hopefully that wont be the case

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when do you expect to have it back?

... and is there a "running-in" regime required these days ?

what car did they give you as a run around? Freeloader 2?

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Originally Posted by andrew e

what car did they give you as a run around? Freeloader 2?

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its a PUG...hence why Ian needs a lift to the sydney blokes night out at belangalo. Its quite a nice car actually bloody nippy little thing..

in regards to the question of running in yes you do have to run them in....have to stay under a certain speed for the first 1000k's I think. can't remember now would have to look at the book think its not to exceed a 100 from memory

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Originally Posted by dullbird

All we want is a car we car drive...and not have to wait until the afternoon to do so...if that means another engine just so we get that for 2 years while they find a fix so be it......hopefully that wont be the case

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That's what you paid for and my hopes are with you that LR will get that to you. Nothing can compensate for the hassles you have though so fixing it is the least they should do.

If this doesn't fix it you should get your money back or a new one!

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Originally Posted by dullbird

I'm pretty sure its a software problem as we have had alsorts changed including injectors.....
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If so are they replacing ECU as well?

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Originally Posted by abaddonxi

If so are they replacing ECU as well?

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I dont know what they are replacing but I would consider the ECU part of the engine

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Originally Posted by dullbird

Dave I think that is what Ian said:confused:

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my bad, I didnt write that up very verbosely, heres the examples.

Im a qualified mechanic, I have a certification number (which is what should be incorporated into the stamp that I'd use to stamp your servicing book as required by your warranty. so thats servicing any qualified mechanic can do it.

If I rang LRA and jumped thorugh all the hoops I could get certified to be a warrany agent for landrover which means I can not only service a landy but I can be an authority on warranty work and carry out such at landrovers expense. But I wouldnt be a dealer.

assuming I owned a car sales yard I could also become a dealer but IF I didnt have any form of workshop then I could be a dealer but not have a warranty authority. I know of one case where for 8 months the local toyota dealer was also the landrover warranty agency. (yes it was in queensland).

As for whats replaced on an engine during a "warranty replaced engine" anything that does not need to come off of the donk to pull it out is usually replaced and in the case of an electronically managed engine the ECU and all its related sensors should also be replaced(ecu, engine and the inital sensors are usually a matched set to start with). Usually this will include a clutch as the flywheel will be new and its bad practice to use a second hand clutch on a new flywheel.

warranty replaced components when fitted retain both the mandatory manufacturing warranty (not covering things like bearings, belts) and whatever is left of the original vehicles warranty whichever is the longer so long as OEM parts are fitted. Its usually possable where the component manufacture warranty exceeds the remaining vehicle warranty to have the vehicles warranty extended to cover the labour charge of the component should it fail outside of vehicle warranty but inside vehicle warranty. Catch is you have to organise this BEFORE the vehicle warranty runs out.

IMHO If I was you I would be speaking to the dealers managment about extending he warranty of your vehicle to cover the new engine for the original warranty period of the whole vehicle (for example if you had a 3yr/100K Km warranty then ask for the engine, clutch and ancillaries to be recovered from current date/kms for 3yrs/100K Km)

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my bad, I didnt write that up very verbosely, heres the examples.

Im a qualified mechanic, I have a certification number (which is what should be incorporated into the stamp that I'd use to stamp your servicing book as required by your warranty. so thats servicing any qualified mechanic can do it.

If I rang LRA and jumped thorugh all the hoops I could get certified to be a warrany agent for landrover which means I can not only service a landy but I can be an authority on warranty work and carry out such at landrovers expense. But I wouldnt be a dealer.

assuming I owned a car sales yard I could also become a dealer but IF I didnt have any form of workshop then I could be a dealer but not have a warranty authority. I know of one case where for 8 months the local toyota dealer was also the landrover warranty agency. (yes it was in queensland).

As for whats replaced on an engine during a "warranty replaced engine" anything that does not need to come off of the donk to pull it out is usually replaced and in the case of an electronically managed engine the ECU and all its related sensors should also be replaced(ecu, engine and the inital sensors are usually a matched set to start with).

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Usually this will include a clutch

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as the flywheel will be new and its bad practice to use a second hand clutch on a new flywheel.

warranty replaced components when fitted retain both the mandatory manufacturing warranty (not covering things like bearings, belts) and whatever is left of the original vehicles warranty whichever is the longer so long as OEM parts are fitted. Its usually possable where the component manufacture warranty exceeds the remaining vehicle warranty to have the vehicles warranty extended to cover the labour charge of the component should it fail outside of vehicle warranty but inside vehicle warranty. Catch is you have to organise this BEFORE the vehicle warranty runs out.

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IMHO If I was you I would be speaking to the dealers managment about extending he warranty of your vehicle to cover the new engine for the original warranty period of the whole vehicle (for example if you had a 3yr/100K Km warranty then ask for the engine, clutch and ancillaries to be recovered from current date/kms for 3yrs/100K Km)

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Yes it has got a new clutch.....

and we are hoping to be able to extend the warranty of this vehicle, we were hoping it would be offered Ian seems to think it may be something offered close to the end of the warranty...my guess is what you have said we need to approach someone